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The Hidden War Over Bitcoin: How Financial, Technocratic, and Psy‑Ops Forces Aim to Centralize Crypto

Jan 12, 2026

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Introduction

The episode brings together Dr. Jack Kruse and Simon Dixon to expose what they describe as a coordinated effort by the "financial industrial complex," technocratic elites, and transhumanist psy‑ops to seize control of Bitcoin and use it as a tool for a broader agenda of global domination.

The Financial Industrial Complex and Bitcoin Centralization

BlackRock as the CEO: Both guests label BlackRock the de‑facto leader of a stateless mafia that can crash nations, start wars, and now own a large share of Bitcoin through ETFs and other products.
Weapons of Mass Financial Destruction: The complex builds ETFs, treasury companies, leveraged derivatives, and stable‑coin structures that funnel Bitcoin into Wall‑Street wrappers, making it easy for banks to shut down accounts and seize assets.
Self‑custody vs. Centralization: The battle is framed as self‑custody Bitcoin (the resistance) versus a centralized Bitcoin held inside the financial industrial complex.

The Role of ETFs, Treasury Companies, and Leverage

ETFs: Once investors move Bitcoin into an ETF, they rarely exit; the process ties the asset to banks and makes withdrawals difficult.
Treasury Companies: These raise finance from "financial terrorists" to buy Bitcoin, then issue debt instruments that manipulate short‑term prices.
Derivatives and Margin Loans: Platforms like Strike offer Bitcoin‑backed loans, creating margin calls that can force users to surrender their coins.
Stablecoins: By investing in Bitcoin mining and using government yields, stablecoins become another layer of centralization.

Transhumanist, DARPA, and Psy‑Ops Narrative

Beyond Money: Kruse argues the ultimate threat is not assets but control over people via AI, brain‑computer interfaces, and psychological operations.
Historical Playbooks: References to Meyer Lansky, Roy Cohn, and McCarthy illustrate how past mob and political figures used media and psy‑ops to manipulate public perception and control institutions.
Modern Extensions: The discussion links these tactics to modern tech giants (Google, Palantir, OpenAI) and their role in surveillance, social‑credit scoring, and AI‑driven behavior control.

The Samurai Wallet Case and Privacy Assault

Samurai Wallet Seizure: The case where servers were confiscated is presented as a warning that authorities can target privacy‑focused tools without needing seed phrases.
CoinJoin Threat: Future attacks may focus on CoinJoin and other privacy‑preserving technologies to force users into traceable transactions.

False‑Flag Operations and the Civil‑War Narrative

Staged Conflicts: Kruse and Dixon claim that false‑flag events are being prepared to push the U.S. toward a civil war, which would allow a new constitutional order favoring a one‑world government.
Trump’s Role: According to the hosts, Trump’s policies (e.g., the Genius Act) facilitate crypto‑capital centralization and set the stage for a digital‑currency‑driven authoritarian regime.

The Multipolar World and Digital Currency

Shift from Dollar to Multi‑Pole: The speakers describe a transition from a dollar‑centric system to a multipolar world where global central banks issue CBDCs and stablecoins.
Strategic Assets: Control over data centers, AI, and mining power in the U.S., China, Russia, and the Middle East is highlighted as a geopolitical lever.

Strategies for Bitcoiners

Self‑Custody is Essential: Hold Bitcoin in personal wallets, avoid ETFs, and reject treasury‑company structures.
Support Decentralized Nodes: Increase the number of independent mining pools and full nodes, especially in diverse jurisdictions.
Community Organization: Build local, self‑sufficient communities (e.g., credit unions, mining collectives) and coordinate via decentralized communication channels.
Open‑Source Tools: Develop and use privacy‑preserving software, run local AI models, and avoid platforms owned by the technocratic elite.
Political Awareness: Recognize that celebrity worship (e.g., of Saylor, Musk, Trump) distracts from the real threat of systemic control.

Conclusion

The conversation paints a picture of a coordinated, multi‑layered campaign—financial, technological, and psychological—to centralize Bitcoin and use it as a lever for global governance. The only viable defense, according to the hosts, is widespread self‑custody, robust decentralized infrastructure, and a vigilant, community‑driven approach that resists both financial and transhumanist domination.

Bitcoin’s survival hinges on mass self‑custody, decentralized node networks, and a community that refuses celebrity‑driven narratives and technocratic control—only then can the cryptocurrency remain a true tool of financial freedom.

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the bankers
are likely not our biggest enemy anymore.
They want us to believe
it's about the bankers.
The goal is a slow overthrow.
They want to get us to a civil war, this
financial industrial complex is building
financial weapons of mass destruction
to centralize as much Bitcoin as possible.
once someone goes into a Bitcoin ETF,
they're never coming back.
Trump is, delivering
crypto capital centralization
of as much Bitcoin as possible.
And getting ready for false flag
operations the biggest enemy
that we have is is this culture
of celebrity and idol worship.
some of our friends, Simon,
that sit at the table with us,
they're the bad actors.
We now have let the enemies into the gate.
They're coming for our privacy
because they know
that's the best way to a nuclear bitcoin.
And that's what the samurai case
really is all about.
that should have scared the shit
out of everybody.
By popular demand
in this explosive episode, doctor Jack
Crews and Simon Dixon, two brilliant minds
rip apart the global pyramid of power,
revealing who truly sits at the top.
How we got trapped here
and the terrifying road ahead.
They hammer home while your privacy
is under siege right now.
And expose
how corrupt elites are weaponizing
the samurai case to crush resistance.
Want to fight back?
Links to sign the pardon petition are in
the description down below.
Good morning, gentlemen.
Thank you so much for joining me today.
I want to dive right into it.
This is very exciting for me.
The meeting of two incredible minds here.
And I think there's a lot of signals
going to come out of this.
So just to kick things off here,
Simon, you've warned that Blackrock
has become the CEO of the Proof of Weapons
Network, a stateless mafia more powerful
than any president, army or law.
Is the bankers in the debt.
Merchants who can crash
nation, start wars, and now own
a substantial amount of bitcoin
through ETFs and other products.
And Doctor Kruse, well,
I believe you share that sentiment
and your concerns
about the financial cartel.
I would suspect that
you put the real threat
maybe isn't necessarily in the boardroom,
but perhaps it's more like the DARPA
Zionist, the transhumanist
trying to hijack our minds
and turn us into compliant slaves,
even if we hold our own keys.
So, Simon, just starting with you,
who is the actual threat to Bitcoiners
and our freedom? Ultimately,
who are we up against here?
And is Bitcoin held in Self-custody
used as money sufficient to break free?
yeah, well, that is the battle.
So I've been I've been involved in Bitcoin
since 2011.
And the latest round of bitcoin attacks
because it's been attacked
ever since I first got involved.
It's certainly from what I call
the financial industrial complex, of which
I see Blackrock as the most important node
in that network.
And, you know, that can change,
but it's, it's a complex of venture
capital, private equity, investment
banks, commercial banks.
And then the asset managers have, 
kind of found themselves
on top of the chain
in the latest iteration
of financialization, securitization,
and now tokenization.
But, you know, Blackrock, I,
I classify, as the CEO.
And, yeah, this financial
industrial complex is building
financial weapons of mass destruction
to centralize as much Bitcoin as possible.
One of those nodes is the ETFs.
Because once someone goes into a Bitcoin
ETF, they're never coming back.
You're not going to sell your ETF
and have a tax here
and then try and figure out
how to get it out of Blackrock into a bank
and into an exchange.
And into purchasing Bitcoin.
That whole iteration will get your bank
account shut down in the process.
The other is Bitcoin treasury companies.
This is, you know, raising finance
from the financial terrorists
in order to purchase Bitcoin
so you can put it in a Wall Street wrapper
and then structure debt
instruments around it and perpetual,
you know, obligations of fiat currency,
so that then they can use that
in order to,
manipulate the short
term price of Bitcoin.
The other is obviously leverage.
You've got, the derivatives complexes
being built around Bitcoin.
And then you've got other nodes
where, companies
like strike
are now offering Bitcoin back loans.
And so therefore you can get margin
calls into, giving up your bitcoin.
And when you combine all these together
with stablecoins, which are essentially
investing in Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining
using the government's yield,
you've created an entire complex.
And you all you need now is to add banks
that can create paper Bitcoin.
And the battle is centralized Bitcoin
within the financial industrial complex
versus self-custody.
And we need to win that battle.
And we need a certain amount
of the network
to prop up self-custody running nodes
in order to win that battle,
because they want to centralize
as much Bitcoin as possible.
Beautiful.
Doctor Kruse, your thoughts?
I think he described 99% of the pyramid.
The 1% he missed,
which is the top where the gold leaf
is, is the control aspects.
It's where the transhumanist comes in.
And if you understand, like the things
that I've talked to Breedlove about,
things
I talked to you about last time is that,
you you don't need
to control assets to control people.
There.
Now, that's
what Meyer Lansky did back in the day.
That's exactly what Roy Cohn did.
In the in between frame,
between Meyer Lansky in an app scheme,
and now the layers that you have,
you have the, the Google layer,
clearly, 
Simon and I are aligned on the sale or ETF
link layer,
but I think the, the more important part
that I think maybe Simon is missing
and I wouldn't say missing,
I just don't think he appreciates it.
The most important part of the control
aspect is what Trump told us in Nashville.
You're going to have your Bitcoin.
You're going to do
do everything you want with it.
But we're still going
to be able to control it.
And they're going to use
computer interfaces.
That's where the AI stuff comes in.
So let me give me the evolution.
So we're all on the same page.
Lansky famously,
like if you read anything about him
as the account for Murder Inc said that,
I don't need to control assets.
I need to control people.
That was probably best shown
in what happened with, Groves.
What happened
with the Rothschilds in 1969?
And then I think probably the best, 
analogy is what he did with J.
Edgar Hoover.
Okay, where did the next generation come?
And Roy Cohn,
most people may not know this.
I put a tweet out this morning about it.
And I don't know if Simon knows because
it's more U.S centric, but Roy Cohn,
was a Russian, Zionist immigrant
who became very famous
because he was Trump's fixer before,
all the other lawyers were the fixer,
and he
used,
John McCarthy as part of the Top Gun.
I would say defense.
Let's bring them closer
so that we can, infiltrate the U.S.
Army.
And this goes into the part of the story
where DARPA fits in and everything else.
The other thing is, we need to also
a nuclear the power of the U.S.
military for French attacks
so that they'll do
the bidding of the Zionists and in Israel.
So what did he do?
Roy Cohn took a playbook out of Lansky.
This is the evolution
until you get until Epstein
and he basically, saw to it
that he would,
use the idea of getting communism
in by fighting communism.
So he was the lawyer for Joe McCarthy,
for McCarthyism in the United States.
And what did he do?
He set up, psyops.
And so we're clear.
I know we talked about the last time
you and I talk lots of psyops.
PsyOps is, the hook,
but they only show you the bait.
So what was the debate?
The bait was what everybody
in the United States and Britain
and the Western powers saw,
that the United States was going
against communism in the 50s and 60s.
But that's not really
what Roy Cohn was doing.
Roy Cohn, was the perfect psyop
because he put
he helped put two Jewish people to death.
The spies from World War two,
the atomic spies,
the Rosenbergs and many Jews in New York.
Many Jews in the United States, many Jews
in Tel Aviv felt that he was a traitor.
That's exactly what the Zionists wanted
people to think.
And what did Roy Cohn do?
He worked with McCarthy.
He set McCarthy up.
If you know anything about the hundred
and 90 hours they were on TV together,
80 million people in the United States
just, you know, it's
half of the United States in the 1950s.
Watch this unfold.
And basically
the undertone of the whole thing is
Cohn was a known, sexual deviant.
And the guy that they put him on TV with,
they sold through time magazine
in the New York Times as also a deviant.
And what was the whole point?
Because I know a lot of people
don't know the context of this.
This guy, chilled,
who was a really good looking
dude that looked like a Greek god,
got an appointment with the U.S.
military in 1953
because he was one of McCarthy's friends.
Roy Cohn set this whole thing up to make, 
McCarthy look like a useful idiot.
What was the real issue?
McCarthy was correct
that the Bolshevik communists
were infiltrating
the United States at that time, but
Cohn wanted to make sure
that he disgraced McCarthy.
And he did that because what did he do?
A chill, he knew that in 1950s America,
the only thing people hated
more than Bolshevik
communism was gay people.
So he used himself as the target,
and he allowed,
the process to unfold on TV.
What do you need to know about this?
What does Simon need to know about this?
This is a classic Fabian maneuver,
with Simon being, 
tied to the Commonwealth.
He understands what and who a Fabian is.
They're trying to get incremental change.
What was the change
that he was trying to do?
He was trying to get communism
fully infiltrated all the way through.
But what was the big thing
you really wanted to get the U.S.
Army infiltrated
with, beta females and males.
And what the goal was,
was to change that.
So if you know what's happened
in the United States from 1950 to current
day, you'll see what what happened
with Trump, with General Milley
when Milley said, you, I'd rather protect
and connect the CCP
to break ranks that, you know, to a 1950s
American was kind of crazy talk
today, everybody okay with it?
And you have to know how that process
started.
And just so we're all clear,
none of this happened with money, Simon.
Not one damn thing.
Everything happened with Bernays
propaganda.
Everything happened with,
Zionists, media relations specifically.
It was time magazine in the New York Times
that they used to do this.
And this is the most amazing
part of the story, at least for me.
For Bitcoin to start.
Understand,
McCarthy was destroyed by this because,
Cohn also controlled J.
Edgar Hoover.
And it turned out
McCarthy didn't know that.
And he gave a picture of these two guys,
children and Cohn together.
And the lawyer for the U.S.
military, specifically
Army's named Guy named Joe Walsh, said
to, Carl Cohn on cross-examination,
something about the pixie.
And that's when McCarthy spoke up
and said, what's a pixie?
I don't understand.
And he goes, well, it's
another name for a fairy.
What happened right there?
That was when all the politicians
right and left
realize the homosexual undertone,
and they came after McCarthy.
They didn't go after Cohn.
And the interesting part of the issue was,
if you look at all the numbers
after that, everything
crashed and cratered.
The whole story about communism was over,
completely over,
which is what the Zionists goal was.
And then, what happens after that?
Cohn takes the bullet.
But when you look at history now
because, you know, Cohn is dead now,
Cohn became a fixer later for Trump,
which I think everybody knows.
But what the you need to know Simon
so that you can put
the top of the pyramid where it belongs.
Nothing happened to Cohn
like McCarthyism got taken out.
What was the effect of this PsyOps
is to basically make the U.S.
military, an asset
that could not take Israel out.
And they were very effective doing that
without seed freezes, without money.
And then what happened
eventually, from 1953 on, we spent
we sent each Israeli
citizen $10 million a day
from the United States.
So what is a Fabian?
Do they rob from one to give to another?
And when you see how this happened,
the point
that I need to make to a guy like you is,
I know what you know.
I'm already way past the bitcoin phase
and I think you need to get past it too,
because I don't think
you really understand that.
The guy who's the next iteration after
Epstein, he's the most important one.
That's the guy who's running Google.
Because what did they do.
They took Lansky and Cohen's idea
and said, hey,
can we remove the people from this
and do this through search?
And when
I see your phone next to me, Simon,
if we ever meet, you'll notice
that our feeds are quite different
about the same Twitter topics.
I told Nathan the last time we talk,
if he was there from Canada,
what he would see is different.
So our reality is driving our perception
and the thing is, that came directly
out of the same time frame.
That's 1950s MKUltra.
This was all going on at the same time.
So now you have these new guys who are
the new guys that are the real bad actors.
You I've heard you say many times
that it's fake seller and I agree,
but they're the level below
the guys on the top level.
That's the Palantir cats, especially Karp,
especially Peter Thiel.
In fact, some of our friends,
Simon, that sit at the table with us,
they're the bad actors.
We now have let the enemies into the gate.
And the point that I tried
to make to Nathan and his buddy last time
is that when you let those actors in
and they're able
to use the things they use,
they don't need your seed phrases.
That's the reason
why Scott Benson famously said,
we'll just take their Bitcoin
because they don't need any of that.
If you don't believe me,
I'll give you a perfect example.
That just happened.
All of us saw it unfold.
Two guys last night
released something about Samurai Wallet
that should have fucking scared the shit
out of everybody. Why?
Because we have a constitution.
We know that that was not a money
transmitting business.
But what did the Southern District
in New York do?
They said, we don't give to Fox.
You know why?
Because it started with Roy Cohn.
Roy Cohn is the one that changed all that
made it acceptable
for us to put people in jail.
Now back in in Europe,
people are being thrown in jail
for tweets.
So the point I'm trying to make to you is
this poor guy is going
to jail for five years.
We know the charges are bullshit.
In fact,
I will tell you,
I have a Bitcoin developer
that's sitting right next to me
who I made.
Listen to this because I knew
we were going to talk about this today.
And he's madder than hell.
He's more
mad about this than we were about Ross.
But do you want to know what Ross was?
Ross is another psyops that Trump gave us.
That's all it is.
And the bottom line is, as I told Nathan,
what's the real plan that I,
I think we all need to go
because Simon, Nathan, me, everybody.
Marty. Bet we're all on the same team.
But I don't think we're
all thinking about this the right way.
I think the science.
We have to be worried about now
is there both sides, left and right.
Doesn't matter who you want to put
as your evil empire.
They're coming for our privacy
because they know
that's the best way to a nuclear bitcoin.
And that's what the samurai case
really is all about.
Because what did they have to do?
They had to take his server to,
to to knock it down.
Coinjoin is going to be the next thing
they go after, because that's effectively
doesn't matter what you see trade is
doesn't matter how much Bitcoin you got.
The bottom line is
if they can turn every locale into a place
where they can turn it into the southern
District of New York, we're all fucked.
And that's the real game
that we should be talking about.
I think the seller Blackrock thing,
I think all of us know.
I think Max Kaiser has done
a phenomenal job at warning all of us
that to make a mark in a bitcoin
for a nation state,
you know, like Samson and
and Jan three guys are talking about
you have to have about 1,000,000 million
and a half bitcoin to do that.
Well that's where the treasury companies
and Saylor comes in.
So basically they're the useful idiots
for the nation state players
that we're talking about.
And the key
is in the grand scale of things,
I don't think Fink and Saylor
really play a huge role here.
When you understand it's really
about how we think, can we maintain
Bitcoin is as first principle thinkers
to understand how we need to do things?
Because the bottom line,
even if they take everything away
that they're attempting to
take away, because that's what I think
the samurai case really shows us,
that we're still still going
to have peer to peer access.
They're not going to be able
to turn the fucking internet off.
But I can tell you, because they need it
actually more than we do.
And I think when you begin to understand
that the case that I'm trying to make,
Simon, is that.
We have to be wiser than everybody else.
And I said to Nathan,
and I don't know how he felt about it
because we haven't talked about it,
but I think everybody has a Bitcoin.
He needs to get sons his book
and really look at it.
Because let me tell you something.
What Roy Cohn did in the 1950s
to the people
in the United States
was absolutely fucking brilliant.
And just so you're clear.
So, you know, the history,
the guy that Roy Cohn set up
the PsyOps with,
do you know what he became
famous for after it was all over?
He made a movie
called The French Connection.
That was his payoff for being part
of the PsyOps, the Top Gun story.
You just heard.
Remember how it comes when he said
to the guy, I want to bring you closer.
Do you know who just bought TikTok? Right?
Ellison, his his son this morning
just did a hostile takeover.
Do you know
who's the guy that spoke out about,
Paramount buying Netflix?
No. Ellison, his son.
So now guess what?
Tom cruise, who talked shit
about this, now he is in the crosshairs.
So what am I trying to say to you?
History
has a really interesting way of repeating.
It never repeats exactly.
But what you seeing going on right now
at Ellison is exactly what Roy Cohn did
to McCarthy and what Roy Cohn
eventually did, for Trump.
And you have to realize, if you go back,
I grew up in New York City
while Trump was ascending,
you know, through the Kushner empire, the,
the Adelson empire
and, the Silverstein empire.
Why was he given the access
that he was given?
Because he also is a useful idiot.
I remember he's
the useful idiot that we all kissed us.
I mean, Nathan heard me say probably
some things that a lot of bitcoiners
were pissed off at me about what?
I talked about. David Bailey.
Look, David
Bailey's a good guy,
but David Bailey got fucking fooled.
And it's about time that we sit down
and do podcasts like this.
And sometimes we have to call out our own.
You've had your own issues.
You got fooled by Moshinsky.
So let's let's all be up
and up about this.
You're still my brother, Nathan.
Still my brother. We're in this together.
If we want to win, we got to understand
that the people that we're fighting,
they're fucking ruthless.
And they will stop at no end.
And if you think it's
just about the money,
then you don't really understand
what the capabilities
of wireless technology, screen technology
and brain interfaces are.
Then you'll understand
really what car really what Elon Musk,
really what Neuralink, what Space-x
and all that's about.
They really believe
they can control people
and it doesn't matter about the money
anymore.
It's no longer the Rothschilds mindset
that if you give me the money supply,
I can control everybody.
Technocracy now believes
that they're more powerful
than the money changers,
so the bankers are likely
not our biggest enemy anymore.
Simon. But I got news for you.
The reason I tell you this story
and the reason I told Nathan.
I want you to remind yourself about Roy
Cohn.
They want us to believe
it's about the bankers.
And I'm telling you, as an old man
that I lived through many,
many different synapses.
And I'll explain to you
why humans are fallible for psyops.
As you probably know, in my day job,
I'm a brain surgeon, so I now know a lot
about how the brain works.
We're very subject
to the Dunning-Kruger effect.
The only way to go against
the Dunning-Kruger effect is to become a
first principles thinker. So
the case that I'm
laying out the Bitcoin,
I think that the reason why I'm a servic
and why people get pissed off at me
is because I lay this stuff out,
but I want to lay this out
so that we all understand.
Before I shut up,
I want you to think about a chef
and a cook.
Okay?
First principle thinking is a chef
will go going buy all the best
ingredients he possibly can.
He will come up with a meal that is
absolutely outstanding and unique.
A cook is a person that will go to
the store, follow a recipe in a book.
They'll make you a meal,
but there'll be nothing
spectacular about it.
Okay, that's
how most people learn to analogy first.
Principle thinking goes no,
I'd rather have something that's unique.
I think there's one thing
that we can all agree on.
What we're
facing right now in the financial world
is the most unique problem
that the world has ever faced.
So that means we need a lot of chefs
and not a lot of cooks.
And the only way you do that
is through the first principle thinking.
And the people who are first
principle thinkers in Bitcoin,
we need to elevate them.
We don't need
to put the retards on podcast
and have them told us the same bullshit
over and over again.
And I think that's part of the reason why
I am a pain in the ass
for a lot of people, but also
because people understand
that I do have a mastery of the history.
I do have a mastery of how the technocracy
has gone above the money issue.
And when you understand that,
then the way in which we
think about the things that are unfolding,
say right now with treasury companies,
and when Michael Saylor takes on
a totally different nuance,
and I will tell everybody who listens this
when they speak, listen to him.
Alex Karp is not lying to you.
Sergey Brin is not lying to you.
Ellison is not lying to you.
They have set up an unbelievable
control grid
that will completely control
just about everything about us.
And that includes our money
and our seed phrases.
And I will remind you,
this is probably the last thing
I'll say about it before I'm quiet.
I want to remind you specifically, Simon,
the samurai guys going to jail,
and they never got his seed phrases,
but he's still going to jail.
Simon.
Okay. So, a lot to unpack there. Yeah.
Absolutely.
There is,
you know, the next wave of power
is certainly coming from the technical
industrial complex.
And you quite rightly pointed out, 
the key players there,
I think the samurai
I was just on a call with the samurai
guys, like, 
seeing what we can do, for support,
because, you know, they confiscated
the servers with the subs.
And, you know, this is
certainly a case,
that is being put forwards in order
to chill people into using these coinjoin,
and various other innovation,
that is important
as a, as an essential, defense there.
I think it's,
I think it's really interesting,
the Trump case, because it pulls together
a couple of attack vectors.
I've quite often said the biggest enemy
that we have is from bitcoiners
and podcasters right now is this culture
of celebrity and idol worship.
People seem to think that Michael Saylor
is the Messiah, or Trump is the Messiah,
or Buckley is the Messiah, or, 
any of these people that are coming along.
And if you look at what
Trump done is firstly,
he created with the executive order,
the environment for mass
confiscation of Bitcoin
to build up the Bitcoin strategic reserve.
And I know that because, 
I was one of the victims
alongside a bunch of other people
in the Bitfinex exchange hack,
which I believe was a Zionist operation.
In order to steal 119,000 bitcoins.
And what did we launch from that,
a security token?
And that was the world's first security
token that was launched on top of Bitcoin.
And obviously they bought from Pierce
tether,
and Paul Pierce,
part of the Bitcoin Foundation
that then goes back
into the Epstein networks when they tried
to infiltrate the core developers.
And so we're all going
interestingly full circle.
And so what did Trump say?
He said,
we want all Bitcoin to be made in America.
That means centralization
of as much Bitcoin.
We used to debate
around the power of China in the ecosystem
through Bitmain, Jihan Wu,
the different miners, the mining pools.
Obviously that was the operation
that then put
40% of the hash power
centralized into Texas.
And now there's all
these public companies that are emerging.
There's all these different parts
of the ecosystem.
So now we have a problem with
as many Bitcoin being made in America.
What else did you do?
Well, in the Genius Act,
there was language and clarity
around targeting coinjoin and targeting
unique wallets through hardware wallets.
To, you know, anonymize
every transaction as a unique transaction.
He also put language which came from
the finance and bank lobby,
and that gave the banks
the ability to use the funds
held at the Federal Reserve,
to back a stablecoin.
And you have to have a banking license in
order to pay a yield on that stablecoin.
And then you launch his own stablecoin.
And then started
working with the tether community,
which is essentially taking the yield
on the government debt to build out
the largest private bitcoin mining
operation, as well as having these, more,
you know, centralized,
public miners as well.
So we got that legislation
and all of that was around
the Stargate project, the Larry Ellison's.
And you look at the next generation
of tech pros emerging.
You had Steve Wyckoff,
who was, connected to funding,
for urban movers, for the 911 operation
and the Masada operation.
His son is now being put in charge,
you know, of and working with Trump
through World Liberty Financial.
You also had, you know, how,
how would Nick, his son, takes over
Cantor Fitzgerald.
Cantor Fitzgerald is the investment bank.
This building or these treasury companies
holding the bonds and the reserves
for these stablecoins and encouraging
people to borrow against, that Bitcoin.
Now, obviously,
we know how hard luck Nick is.
That was the neighbor of Jeffrey Epstein.
Deeply connected.
Canter Fitzgerald
was the company on the top of the towers.
He was away that day.
The Silverstein connections.
All those different things of anyone
that's actually, looked into this.
So he's also saying, let's make America,
you know, the crypto capital of the world.
Crypto capital is integration into
artificial intelligence, programable money
and the social credit score
that Elan is building,
as well as the artificial intelligence
the pizza two is building.
And so.
And who did he put in charge?
He put David Carr.
So now you've got the complete PayPal tech
bruise under the building.
This AI and crypto strategy
while simultaneously having,
as you quite rightly point out,
these lower level nerds
in the network
try and centralize as much Bitcoin.
Now, why I think the Trump
connection is really interesting
is because of the Charles
Kushner connection.
And so anyway, I'm
sure you know, anyone that you use
as you were around in New York,
well, Charles Kushner was the one
that weaponized
the SEC's blackmailed operations
and married into the Trump family,
his daughter to Jared Kushner.
Now, Jared Kushner,
currently right now is the one behind,
Affinity Partners, which is the fund,
which is
funded by the Gulf countries,
the $2 billion fund at the moment,
which is launching,
you know, and affinity Partners
is the one that is facilitating,
much of this investment,
in order to put the Middle East
into the next wave,
because they're looking at building
our data centers
within the Middle East as well.
And so if you look
at some of the sovereign
wealth funds, like the Abu Dhabi sovereign
wealth fund, the UAE sovereign wealth
fund, David Bailey invited me to speak.
Bitcoin menor right now, which I politely
declined and sent them a video instead.
Because, you know, we're
we're seeing as well
a lot of these pardon operations.
You talked about Russ Albright.
Absolutely a honeypot. Operation.
But also what we're seeing,
with the world
Liberty, 
financial, and Binance, as well.
So Binance, if you look at it,
it was alleged that it was doing money
laundering for Hamas.
They suddenly came up with the signal,
screenshots.
Binance was taken out.
And what was part of the Department
of Justice settlement?
They have to install, 
a compliance division.
This gave by all the US government.
This gave them access to 280 million
Bitcoin users.
What was the first thing that they did
with that?
Sorry, crypto users.
What was the first thing they did
with that?
Well, they actually started to shut down
the accounts
of Palestinians, Lebanese,
Turkish, all around.
And they put together a request,
where Masada and the Israeli government,
managed to get all of the, you know, the,
the accounts shut down and freeze
all of those monies
while simultaneously running a starvation
campaign and the genocide.
What technology was used for that genocide
when it was Palantir
that did, genocide as a service
in Gaza, occupation
as a service in the West Bank?
Drone integration in Ukraine.
Crowd control in Saudi Arabia
for the annual Hutch pilgrimage.
Integration into the UK government,
for the Pre-crime agenda.
And also using scraping social media data
in order to arrest people based upon
what they think they're going to do
based upon their social media profiles.
Open border.
Closed border operations
within the European Union.
And you can
take your pick and go further and further.
So this whole psyop of open borders,
in order to radicalize the Americans
into pushing forward these ice,
surveillance state at the moment.
What did they do?
They integrated it
with the private prisons section
in El Salvador,
which is also a pilot operation as well.
So you've got Palantir
that is managing the open border,
closed borders in America.
You got the surveillance state.
You've got the digital IDs,
you've got the pre-crime agendas,
you've got Doge,
which was essentially Elon Musk pretending
he could pay off the national debt,
when obviously you can't
because the dollar's a Ponzi scheme.
And what did he do?
Integrated that data of all the, the,
the American, government
data,
into some of these social credit scores.
And artificial intelligence network.
So you can see the Trump is, delivering
crypto capital centralization
of as much Bitcoin as possible.
And getting ready for false flag
operations in order to radicalize
people into opting into this cove, 
stablecoin
central bank digital currency in America,
as well as what's happening in Europe,
where the digital euro,
is essentially becoming a Cbdc.
So I absolutely agree that
this technology, is being built together.
And what I find
interesting with the, with the,
the Jared Kushner child, Kushner,
is the operation that happened
throughout Bitcoin's history
in order to try and infiltrate
the core developers, through
some of these, blackmail, operations.
And I know firsthand because I was around,
seeing some of the people,
and the different types of compromises,
that was happening there.
So I'll, I'll pause there and we can go
through some of the Epstein operations.
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All right,
let's jump back into the episode.
Yes, Jack.
I would, I would say,
you know, to that point, I think you
we have to take a step back in history
because Simon laid a lot out
what happened with the genius act.
If I cut through the chase, the way I see
it, this is exactly what happened.
When the first, charter
bank, the Bank of England, was made,
you know, in the Netherlands.
What was the goal there?
Everybody knew
that they were going to drive that up
and they were just going to pay,
you know, people, a yield
for perpetuity as an annuity.
If you take away all the fancy terms,
the modern terms
we have because of the financialization
that happened from that time, from 1666
onwards,
understand
that the the key mechanism of the bank,
chartered the Bank of England,
was basically to make a debt based system.
That's exactly what the Genius Act does
for crypto and Bitcoin.
And when you understand that,
that the people that set the system up
will be able to get,
you know, an annuity paid to them.
What we're seeing is that
because the fiat system is being imploded
and a new ones
being in place, they want to make sure
that they still get the vig on top
that they got
when they established a Bank of England.
And I think most people who are Bitcoiners
understand
how the Bank of England, went through
all the centralized monarchies
and wound up in the United States,
the same people
that set up the Federal Reserve.
What did they do? They say Woodrow Wilson.
So Woodrow Wilson and Donald Trump
have a lot in common.
And I've been telling people to go back
and look at what happened with Woodrow
Wilson before the Federal Reserve Act.
You'll notice that even some of the same
policies were in place,
like tariffs and things like that.
You'll you'll be stunned
about the immigration policy as well.
You'll see many, many things.
But Americans are not really good
at knowing their history. Why?
Because remember who controls education
in the United States, the government.
They only teach you what they want
you to know,
and they really want
you to be an obedient idiot.
That's really the whole goal
of the centralized system in every facet.
So it does take the first principle
thinker to go back and put this together.
And like I've been on in rooms
and in spaces where,
you know, I heard Simon arguing with,
you know, some pretty famous
Bitcoin lawyer, Zach Shapiro,
to, to be quite frank.
And one of the things that I think
people need to understand that
some of the people that are in our family
still can be our problem.
And that's why I mentioned to you, Nathan,
that we just had Thanksgiving here
in the United States.
And, you know,
you can hate your Uncle Joe.
You know, if he just doesn't see
the whole picture and I think the thing
that I like about doing this
little conversation between all of us,
this is really beneficial for the audience
because they get to think
about all the pieces that they know,
but they're also getting
to hear about the pieces they don't know,
and the pieces they don't know
begins to explain some of the geopolitics
that are around.
For example,
what's the main goal that Simon brought up
about the open border policy?
It's not a psyops.
It's actually this one is more direct
to have a one world government.
You can't have militaries going in
and destroying people.
So what do you do?
You take people with brown skin
and put them in white countries
that use fiat money
and let them do the destruction.
What's the key?
The key is what Paul
Kelly told people at the seat back then.
Make sure you don't fix the judges.
Make sure you don't fix the AG.
Well, Trump didn't do that.
So what's the rhetoric?
The rhetoric is I'm going to fix
and I'm going to do MAGA.
But he's not really fixing it.
He's got Kristi
Noem on there with her pretty face.
It's got ice.
People running around.
And you think that they're fixing
all the shit that Clinton, Obama
and Biden did?
That's total horseshit.
The goal is a slow overthrow.
What's the real key,
Simon, that I would put out to you?
What's going on?
You know, Frates, I think it's even
more simple to understand.
The real big problem that I see
for the United States is, is amendment
one two and four.
Four is a real pain in the ass
for the people in the government.
So what they would they really like to do,
they would like to divide us
so long lines of left and right.
Between Clinton, Obama,
Biden and Trump, I think you can see that
those lines develop.
They want to get us to a civil war,
because if you're a Brit or part
of the Commonwealth, what do you know
about the Magna Carta and civil wars?
Like the British already
had their civil war when they killed
Charles the First,
and they had Oliver Cromwell in there.
What happens? You're right. New charters.
Guess what the one World government really
wants to happen in the United States.
They want us to go to a civil war.
So we'll write new foundational documents.
You want to know the truth?
American patriots I don't Bitcoin.
We don't want that to happen.
We have to get rid of the occupiers
who are the occupiers.
The story goes all the way back
to the Roman emperor Augustus.
They're the proletariat.
They're the guys that have the knife
in the back of the people
that we see on our TVs.
Those are the people behind Macron.
Those are the people behind, Trump.
Those are the people that are behind
Obama.
We see Obama going to London right now.
The London power base
is where all this begins.
And, you know, for all the
the venom that people have
when they talk about the Jews versus
Zionists, I will remind you,
Simon, of this key historical point,
because I think
we need to to fasten it down
the people
who are the original proletariat
for the real banking cartel, the Templars,
they were based on the land
that Israel is based on right now.
Don't forget that this story
is as old as human history.
Okay? They are.
They are running the biggest game
you can imagine.
Fabian ism is not something
a lot of Americans
understand,
but it's exactly what's happening to us.
It started really
with the Federal Reserve Act,
and that from that time forward,
the real goal of the Fabians
that were locked inside the United States
was to import more communists,
more Fabians, into the government.
They are now everywhere.
They're in all three branches.
But you know what the the real message for
Americans is the real message.
How do we take
the transhumanist agenda apart,
realize that our system here
of governance is good?
I will tell you, Simon,
if we get really smart about this,
we can actually use the Top Gun
strategy on them
because they're centralizing
Bitcoin in America.
When America stands up to the occupiers,
guess what happens?
They're the ones that get top guns.
So the case that I made
to Nathan the last time I was here,
this may sound dire
to a lot of bitcoiners.
I actually think it's pretty good.
And the reason why I'm pretty optimistic
is because
we are going to be a powerful force
in the future.
Your children, Nathan's children,
my children.
What? We have to do a better job at Simon.
Instead of arguing with Zach
or arguing with American Hodl,
or arguing with British,
or arguing with Ben or whoever,
we need to listen to each other carefully,
using first principles, thinking,
and then we need to come up
with a coordinated plan. Why?
Because now we're the farmers
in the United States with pitchforks.
We know how good they are,
but they don't know how good we are.
And I think
when you understand the game
that's being played, it doesn't
emulate what's happened in the past,
but it sure arrives.
And I see a lot of the same parts.
They're the control vectors
that they have, aren't
as good as you think,
and there's ways to take them apart.
There's ways for you to become a better
first principle thinker
with your own brain,
because the difference between Alex Carbon
Palantir system is that its neural
network is not like mine and yours.
This one is the most amazing one. Why?
Because it learns from new information.
Their system only learns from the shit
they've put into it.
And therein lies a big weakness.
And that's not the weakness
that most Bitcoiners are focused on.
They're focused on numbers
go up and go into these conferences where
basically they're putting Karp
and Palantir's targets right on our faces.
We can't we can't keep
playing into their scheme anymore.
And I think when people understand this,
you'll begin to understand what happens.
We just had, you know, two big bitcoiners,
you know, killed, in Europe
who are from Russia. Why?
Because they weren't supposed to be there.
I told Nathan the last time, just like my
my developer friend that's here
about the story of,
the Chinese hackers with eath.
Remember
when all that crazy things showed up?
I talked about it on another podcast.
Some people thought I was crazy,
that they were able to use
a computer interface
for this guy to spend 1.65
million eath over time,
and then even put crazy messages
in the blockchain about this.
Why did I bring that up to you, Simon?
I'm bringing it up to you because that's
exactly what the future is going to be.
They're going to let you keep your eath
in your bitcoin.
What they're doing now is compliance to us
to make sure that they can use
technology to make sure that you still do
what they want you to do.
That's the point.
That's the real point here.
You're not playing, by rules
that we think the Rothschilds
and Rockefeller rules do.
They're very dated,
and they know that they they were told
that by Meyer Lansky in 1969.
They now have all opted
to go all in on the technocracy space.
So what do we have to do is orange people.
We have to understand the limitations
of what they've decided to YOLO in on.
And I can tell you
that there's ways around this,
and we need to organize and we need to
do podcast talking about stuff like this.
Simon,
I want to get your response to all that.
But I also want to throw in there too.
We mentioned a few times, like
corruption or manipulation
and the occupiers as well too.
I just want to ask, is there any
is there anybody from the Proof of Weapons
network?
Is there anybody
that's currently an occupier
that is in the Bitcoin space
that isn't actually all that known?
Or do we have a fox in the henhouse
anywhere basically.
And then your response
to uncle Jack as well.
From my side, anybody that's, promoting.
Look, we got lots and lots of useful ideas
because I don't think there's,
people that are, able
to put this stuff together.
But at the same time, we've got people
that are genuinely being pushed, into,
you know, taking their bitcoin,
putting them in these Bitcoin
treasury structures.
We've got I mean, look, anyone
that comes from a cypherpunk movement
like Adam back that was mentioned
in the white paper that is promoting
stablecoins, bitcoin, treasury companies
and all sorts of shit in the code.
Like, you know, you would ask yourself
what happened to that person.
And again, like,
people will go down this celebrity worship
route of thinking, I'm
attacking this person that you love.
That's not the point.
Blackmail is blackmail.
Like pay off
is pay off incentives or incentives.
If someone's going to wipe out
your family,
you know
you're going to look after your family.
That's the reality of this.
So Bitcoin was built on a don't
trust don't trust verify.
And so really the canary in the coal
mine is all these people
that are looking to others and just going
down this celebrity worship culture.
And not realizing
that they're being incentivized,
you know, into these, centralizing forces.
You know, I think that the whole,
AI, the competing implementations
and the nuts versus core
debate is an important debate
that people should be engaging with.
We need enough people holding
Bitcoin in self-custody and enough people,
running these nodes
because there is going to be
a core network of people
that are going to have to,
fight against,
these, you know, these attack vectors.
And as I said,
one of the interesting things I think is
if you look at this whole concept
of a one world government, clearly
there is an operation
to do what they did to the British Empire.
The Bank of England
bankrupted the UK government,
and then they switched the world order
over to the Federal Reserve.
And then they installed the Soviet Union
after the Bolshevik Revolution.
They put the Federal Reserve in America.
And then they also funded,
you know, the, the fascist side.
And then obviously, we won't talk about it
because it's probably going on YouTube.
But what happened in World
War Two was significantly different,
to what we were told.
But they had those different ideologies.
You know, funding all three.
And, what I think we're
witnessing right
now is the dismantling of the dollar.
Like, we saw the dismantling of the pound.
They're doing it on several attack
vectors.
Firstly, the the more you can weaken
the dollar, which is what Trump is.
Trump's an agent of chaos.
You know, I'm sorry.
The reality is, is that
the dollar is a debt based Ponzi scheme
that requires a perpetual debt cycle.
The IMF covert operations in order
to continually roll over that debt.
And so when you take on, quote,
the deep state
and you take out
USAID, you're weakening the dollar,
because it is propped up
by these covert operations
in order to force people
into dollar enslavement.
But they're coming after, you know,
they're coming off to three things.
So they're breaking the petrodollar.
The way they're doing that is by 6%, 8%
strategically weakening the dollar
in a managed transition.
And the the countries in the world,
the Hong Kongs, the Saudis,
the various other, Emiratis,
when they peg their currency
to the dollar,
they're currently subsidizing the peg.
So if you look at Saudi,
they're selling their gold
and selling their treasuries
to maintain their peg.
Now the weaker the dollar gets, they're
going to have to de peg at some stage.
They're also because of this shift
in power.
You know, they want to plug
all these air data centers
into the Middle East and harness
all that energy.
We're getting resolutions around,
you know, these, you know, these
investments and these colonial investments
within the Middle East.
And they're relocating
some of the crypto bridges
over to UAE at the moment.
They're also breaking
the Japan carry trade.
So by hiking those rates.
We're getting the repatriation
of those dollars.
They need to sell their treasuries,
in order to,
you know, sell, to buy Japanese yen.
And then they're getting yields
on their Japanese yen.
At the same time,
we're saying this, this narrative,
this false narrative, via Zelensky,
who's just an agent for the military
industrial complex, in order to make it
look like America wants peace.
And Europe is pushing war at the moment.
But clearly that's to break the Euro
dollar.
There's $1 trillion that they want to make
from destabilizing Europe.
Europe is, you know,
just is fully subordinate, to, you know,
you know, people
that people look at the power structure
and the power dynamics,
the way that I see it at the moment
is you obviously have the bank
for International Settlements.
The most important node in the BIS
is the Federal Reserve.
The Federal Reserve is owned
by the private banks.
Those private banks are now public
companies.
Those public companies are owned
by the asset managers.
You have to have perpetual money
printing of dollars.
Yeah.
Perpetual investment and inclusion
in the index funds.
And you have to have medium manipulation
in order to maintain those,
power structures.
But at the top, Blackrock, you know,
the Federal Reserve is using BlackRock's
Aladdin technology.
And that's how Blackrock ended up
with the ETFs.
Department of Barclays
during the global financial crisis.
They end up with all these board seats
and voting seats.
You got the Treasury that was using
BlackRock's technology during Covid.
So they've got both fiscal policy
and monetary policy.
They've also got all of the different,
money
managers and fund managers
that are using their technology.
And so you got peak centralization
at the Blackrock level.
Now where it becomes interesting
is this technical industrial complex.
Many of those players
are still subordinate to the capital flows
they need.
And they've obviously got to get
continual Pentagon budgets,
which is the big beautiful bill.
They're going to get continual
capital flows,
which is why you're seeing this
AI bubble essentially within.
There's two k shaped economies
within America.
You got the rich getting richer
and the poor
get more, the debt slaves
and those that own the assets.
And then within the, within the stock
market,
you got the S&P where stocks are doing
dismal.
But is going up because all the money's
going into the tap bro's.
And so you've got this k-shaped economy
within the index as well.
And you know, that
requires this constant flow of Pentagon
budget,
and capital flows that we're,
that we're seeing at the moment.
But by simultaneously breaking the dollar.
You'll notice that the number one
funder of U.S.
treasuries right now, this propping up
this market is Cayman Islands.
And Cayman Islands is just the hedge
funds.
It's not the economy.
It's got UK and Japan is reducing.
China's reducing.
Everybody's selling.
Saudi's having to break the peg.
And so now you just got Cayman Island
and stablecoins
as well as the nodes
they control like the UK.
And so by having this,
you know, escalation,
with Europe right now, which is going
to be a warzone, no doubt about it.
They just want to asset strip
everything and Zelensky's their man.
In order to try and repatriate
some of this funding,
they're also breaking the euro dollar.
So they're breaking the euro dollar.
They're baking the Petro dollar.
They're breaking the Japan carry
trade. What?
That means is a managed
weakening of the dollar,
just like we saw in the Bank of England,
which drives these capital outflows out
while simultaneously
Nvidia is building out
all the data centers.
Palantir's building out
all the technology, and everybody's
integrating into these stablecoin
and crypto, real world asset rails.
Which essentially is, you know,
they also gave us freedom of speech,
but no freedom of speech.
What was that?
That was essentially,
we're not going to cancel you any more
because we want you talking.
We want to know what
Correct.
as your social credit score,
that's your that's feeding the algorithm
so that we can reward you
with higher interest rates
or lower interest rates
based upon your language
and what you're saying, you know,
and then you've got the AI integration.
And that's all coming together, into this
technocratic, Orwellian nightmare.
This being built by,
you know, manipulation
of Trump through these blackmail
operations and rings.
I mean,
you don't really need to blackmail Trump.
He's in it for the money anyway.
But he's married in.
If you look at who funded Trump
and his campaign,
his number one donor was Elon Musk.
His second donor was the Bank of New York
Mellon family
is third donor was, Maryam Adelson.
And so you've got the Israel first,
you got the bank first,
you got the technical first.
And the technical is kind of merging
into the military industrial complex
through these cyber security
and artificial intelligence warfare.
And so is 100% managing that transition.
And it's
Doctor Kruse.
Yeah. No, I was just going to say that.
I mean, what Simon just hit on
is actually the top 1% of the pyramid
that I don't think
Bitcoiners are making the
the calculation
that we actually are helping do this.
We're feeding the information in
to the system
we need to stop doing the talking
that we're doing, and we need to start
being a lot more strategic
about how things happen, why?
Because when you understand your enemy,
you become the enemy.
And we need to start feeding
in this machine
that they're building bad data
and that's really important.
That's
where counterintelligence really matters.
And when you really, truly understand
this,
that's
when podcasts get really interesting.
Okay.
In other words,
there's going to need to be
we have some very smart cryptographers
that are not tied
to the folks
that we've brought up in this podcast.
It's going to be very easy
to reverse engineer
an Enigma machine to take apart
these strands.
Humans, they're smart.
But I got news. Yet.
There is a weakness to their game plan,
and you need to understand
what that weakness is.
And unfortunately,
I mean, the only people that are going
to be capable of doing this
are going to be Bitcoiners down the road.
But I have to tell you that the bitcoiners
that we listen to,
be careful who packs your parachute.
I think that's really my message.
And I think when you understand
some of the history, like, for example,
I agree 100% with Simon about Atom
Back, I don't
I don't think if I was a meeting
organizer,
I would ever invite Adam back to another
meeting, if you want to know the truth,
because I think it's obvious
that he's cooked.
Another guy that I know is cooked
is, Vitalik Buterin.
I happen to know things about Vitalik.
I probably would make your guy's head
spin. Why?
Because some of the people that,
I got involved with in Covid,
where we were able to out
the S40 promoter was in some of the jabs.
You may be shocked to find out
that the Vitalik Buterin money
is now funding their lab.
So realize that
the people and the web
that's here is way deeper than you think.
It's still it's still I'm not telling you
just to scare you.
I'm telling you this so that we're wiser
about what we do to the future.
And my view is not survival
of the fittest.
It's survival of the wisest.
And I have to tell you right now,
Bitcoin, the core of Bitcoin,
is focused on survival of the fittest.
And if we continue to do that, we're
going to turn into a sausage grinder.
And we can't do that.
And I think
podcasts like this are designed
to give you something to think about
and talk
about your family over the holidays.
And, you know,
I don't think Simon or myself
are trying to tell you that we have it.
All right.
What we're trying to say
is that we've made a diagnosis,
and we're throwing that diagnosis out for
you guys to kick it around
and do what Bitcoin is, do proof of work,
due diligence.
Tell me why Simon's a retard.
Tell me why Uncle Jack's retard?
Because guess what?
That's how we improve this AI right here.
And that's how we're going to improve
Nathan's children's AI.
We're going to turn them into something
smarter than anything that Peter Thiel or
or Karp can make, or smarter
than Tether's plan
with, like, Nick and Bassett.
Like, there are ways for us to react,
but we
have to be smarter about how to do it.
And there are still Oasis's
out in the world
that have not been touched by this yet.
I can promise you there are places
that you need to be careful
you know with,
but you have to know who your enemy is.
And unfortunately,
I don't think Bitcoiners
like to pat themselves on the back
a little bit too much and say, look,
we made the big, big move
because we put our money in Bitcoin.
Great. But that's not the be all.
And I think that was really the key point
that I tried to make to you,
Nathan, before.
And it's kind of like the thing
I think I needed to say to Simon,
because I've heard Simon speak
about many of these things before,
especially to other Bitcoiners.
And I think the reason that Simon is not
landing is punch,
especially with some of those Bitcoiners,
is because that top
1% is the missing loop
for the whole issue.
And I think what's happened in the past
with the Bank of England,
with the Federal Reserve,
is actually being built
right now through all the laws
that you saw come in
through this administration.
And I don't believe that
Clinton,
Obama and Biden and Trump
are much different.
I think they're the same animal.
But you get a different Twitter
feed to think they're different.
And I think you need to understand
that,
that the game is always about control.
And it may not be about control.
The money may actually be about control
of your behavior with the money.
And that's all they really care about.
It's very interesting.
I want to unpack a few things
I do want to go to also, doctor jackers.
I want to go to the Oasis
and see about where in the world
we should be setting up citadels.
But before I get there, Sam,
I want to get a little bit more clarity
on what we're transitioning to or what
they're trying to transition to
if they're breaking the dollar.
If we went from kind of a UK
pound to then US dollar centric,
where are they trying to move us to?
And additionally, you mentioned the idea
that we're going to see false flags.
I was wondering, going forward,
what kind of events or things could we see
that would be evidence
to support this thesis?
Like if we see this pop up in a year
or six months time,
that would suggest that, yes,
they are continuing on this path.
And the last thing I just want to tie
in there, cause you guys are covering
so much is like cryptography and gunpowder
and even Bitcoin currently.
My viewpoint is that AA is going to be
used to control us immediately
the way or think, the same way that our
feed and research feed, does as well too.
Is it
possible for us to basically open source
these large language models, reCAPTCHA
AI and actually use it as a tool
for our freedom
rather than centralized and,
say, enslavement?
A lot of stuff there.
I want to
pull on this, control thing
because I've seen it first hand.
I was when, when I first go into Bitcoin,
I wanted to support the ecosystem.
You know, Bitcoin was about $3
when it went up to about $300 and various
other things.
I started investing in all the companies
because this was
pre all of the venture capitalists
coming along.
You couldn't get VC funding.
You know, the first company I invested
in was BitPay.
Now I then I later
did like Coinbase and blockchain
info and Kraken and or many,
many others, about 100 of them in total.
One by one
I saw them all get compromised.
And by compromised,
I mean the VCs come along.
You have the Silicon Valley
sausage factory.
And then they financialized
and securitized them into something
where they're now
subordinate to their shareholders.
And once they're subordinate to their
shareholders, they have fiduciary duties
in order to fulfill, 
whatever they can profit, maximize.
Within that.
So you end up going down chicanery,
you end up going down all sorts of stuff.
But originally,
when you wanted to fund a Bitcoin
core developer, you know, we had Gavin
Andreasen and various other ones,
they had QR codes.
You would fund them.
If that wasn't consistent enough.
So BitPay,
one of the companies I invested in,
decided, that
they'd like to put some of their budget
and a percentage of their revenue
into funding Bitcoin Core developers.
Now, that was fine. That was all good.
But then as a community, we were like,
well, that's kind of centralized
in a company in our company.
They want to lower transaction fees.
We had the birth of the Blocksize debate.
You know, during this whole thing.
And so then you started to find the VCs
come along.
Suddenly, Peter Thiel Founders Fund
started investing in all these companies.
Then you know that was around
about the 2012,
2013, 2014 era.
Then what happened
is the Bitcoin Foundation came along
and said, well, why don't we,
as many companies want to get together
and they contribute to a foundation
and all these different people
can contribute to a foundation and
we had the Bitcoin Foundation one by one.
You saw every single member compromised,
or attacked.
So what was,
what was the first one you had?
Markopolos.
Now Markopolos many people think of him
as the guy that stole 800,000 Bitcoin
and found 200,000 under a mattress
three Mount Gox.
Well, actually, he bought that exchange.
Who did he buy it from?
He bought it from Jeb McCaleb.
Jeb McCaleb was the one that created XRP
and stellar and these other coins.
And when he bought it, there were 80,000
Bitcoin missing from the exchange.
He actually emailed Jeb McCaleb and said,
what do I do about the 80,000 Bitcoin?
He said, you better buy it.
And the price went up like crazy,
which meant the Mount Gox
was a Ponzi scheme and then they started
building bots, which he bought in order
to manipulate the price
so you could try and recover.
But these are the types of tactics.
And suddenly what happened to Mount Gox?
It was taken out.
He's imprisoned in Japan.
We had Charlie Shrem.
What was Charlie Shrem doing?
Well, Charlie
Shrem created a company called instant.
And he was creating a pipeline
so that you could get money
into Mount Gox further, you know, faster.
And then he would issue you credit
so that you could
then start trading on Mount Gox.
They. Charlie Shrem had to plead guilty.
Just like the market samurai.
You guys had to plead guilty? Why?
Because the Winklevoss twins,
you know, ended up getting,
5000, Bitcoin.
And then when they,
when they arrested him,
they made sure that his money goes
so he can't afford defense.
And then you say, well,
will you admit that you all money
went into silk Kruse,
the honey ball connected to Russ Albright?
Russ Albright, the same guy that the Trump
administration pardoned.
That's making up part of the Bitcoin
strategic reserves.
What do they do
with a bunch of those bitcoins?
They sold it to the Silicon Valley
VCs, the the Tim Draper's,
the, you know, these, the pizza tills.
These are some of the early Bitcoin
wallet addresses that you're seeing moved
right now as they engage in some of these
market manipulation, activities.
So you had Charlie Shrem taken out.
You had, you you,
you had, Markopolos taken out.
Who else was around?
You had Gavin Andresen.
What did Gavin Andresen do?
Well, a guy called Jonathan
this who was the chairman
of the Bitcoin Foundation,
who told us, hey, I've got this surprise.
I know who Satoshi Nakamoto is.
And then you went
and publicly brought Doctor Craig Wright
and told us the doctor,
Craig Wright, was Satoshi Nakamoto.
And who said and who verified that
it was Satoshi Nakamoto.
Gavin Andresen and so Gavin Andresen,
the first Bitcoin developer
the met with the CIA when Satoshi
Nakamoto left the project, told us that
they have cryptographically proven that
the he controls the Satoshi keys.
After John Button, this comes along
and says it's up to crazy right now.
One of the early Bitcoin 
investors was Roger.
Roger ver was involved
in the Bitcoin Foundation.
He said, you know, with Jihan Wu,
who created Bitmain in China
that had just received
funding from Sequoia Capital.
That here's another version of Bitcoin
so that we can fork away from that.
And that ended up being called Bitcoin ABC
that was rebranded as Bitcoin Cash.
And who who came along and said
it was Satoshi Nakamoto.
It was Roger that. It was Gavin Andresen.
And say you had all of these attack
vectors.
Now what happened?
At the end,
in order to completely dissolve
the Bitcoin Foundation, well,
it was brought this.
And so where did this come from?
If you look how broke, piers,
you'll see all sorts of connections.
He was in the Hollywood industry.
He was a child actor.
We know what Hollywood is.
We know the connections.
How you make it in Hollywood.
And then suddenly you have a Silicon
Valley start up that look, like in the.com
boom and bust, like The Wolf of Wall
Street in terms of exotic parties,
and allegations of underaged women
that said there was sexual abuse,
you know,
that was settled in those accusations.
Now, recently in the Jeffrey Epstein
email, Lee leaks,
who was the only person that met
with Jeffrey Epstein.
It was broke, piers.
And what what happened
after the Bitcoin Foundation dissolved?
Well, they had to find a new funder.
Who was the new funder.
It was MIT and MIT had a division
called DSI.
MIT was funded by Jeffrey Epstein, and
we had a bunch of Bitcoin core developers.
The, you
know, started moving and engaging
in the next phase of the debate
that led to the hard forks
and the various other
infiltrations of trying to take down
Bitcoin through Bitcoin Cash.
And then you have Bitcoin this week
and you had all these things.
Now Adam back
also creates a blog stream at the time.
And what I'm saying is think about how
these different operations work.
You find both sides of a war.
You know,
this is the classic story, right?
Communism, capitalism, fascism.
You fund it all
and you create, like Operation Gladio.
If you've read Paul Williams
book, Strategic Tension
and Strategic, 
in order to create these civil wars.
And so all this to say,
I lived through all of that,
I sat down,
I was at a conference, the, you know,
David Bailey, who was who I met with
in China for the first time.
He asked me to,
you know, we went to a conference
and broke this, and Brock Pierce
sat down with me for four hours
and tried to persuade me
that Satoshi Nakamoto was Doctor Craib.
Right?
You know, and, you know, so
all I'm saying is
all of this to say,
is it all about control?
And that's what it was saying here.
So you can't trust. We don't trust verify.
And what is this?
This is why we got
look at the node infrastructure.
The development ecosystem.
Where is mining? Who's mining.
What are the
where are the bitcoins being centralized?
Fortunately,
you know, you talked about Vitalik.
Vitalik was a psyop.
In order to try and fork this off
into proof of stake.
Because once you control the stakes,
you control the network.
You know, that's why
Blackrock is approving the Bitcoin ETF
and applying for staking.
We remain just proof of work.
We didn't turn out
as you know into into Bitcoin Cash.
But all I'm saying is we are always under
a constant state of attack.
Where we need to remain
the different parts of the ecosystem,
where we're sufficiently
asking the right questions,
because just from the parts
of the ecosystem, and
I haven't been deeply involved
in the whole nuts versus core,
but I can see a control
in a psyop operation.
And we need to be very,
very vigilant and very, very aware,
of these manipulations
that are happening,
all around
trying to get as much control as possible.
So I end with a bit of your question
you were talking about,
where are we going next?
We're moving to multi Polarity.
The British Empire
handed over to the American empire.
The American Empire's
handing over to what?
A multipolar world
which can have a global agenda.
A global central bank, digital currency.
But the reality is, is
that Bitcoin is the is the resistance
in multi polarity
while weakening the dollar.
We need to make sure that we've got
sufficient levels of hash rates.
We've got about 21% in China,
40% in America.
We got a small amount in Iran,
about 11% in Russia.
We got to maintain the this is you know,
as these different players
are getting involved, that we're always
spreading out the network.
Fortunately,
I believe Bitcoin, in a multipolar world
is going to make sure that we push out
some of the ports
that our ecosystem globally
and we need to support,
other parts of that,
that ecosystem as well.
Doctor Kruse, I want to get your response,
but I just want to add quickly
to your point about, civil war in the U.S
in order to undermine the Constitution
when it also makes sense
than to try and fabricate a civil war
in Bitcoin to try and undermine it.
Yeah.
Well I mean obviously once you understand
what game's going on here
that it's the one world government,
the really the antidote to
that whole thing is Bitcoin.
You also have to realize that
the node issue
I think I think is a really interesting
debate
that people need to start thinking about
and how we do things
and where we go like these,
that I want you to remember
when we talked about, you know, citadels,
maybe where we go, why we have to have
60ft catamarans, because, you know,
all of us talked offline and said,
you know, there's no, places here.
And, 
I don't know, New Zealand in Auckland.
Why why don't
we send a couple of our patriots
that are orange, you know, down there
to start a mining pool?
I, I do, I believe that's going to happen.
I believe it is going to happen.
The key right now is to protect our state
from transhumanists from the AI world.
There's things that we can do.
Guns are one thing.
I don't think
guns are going to be as effective,
but are there other weaponry
that we have to do?
Do we have to stay smarter, wiser?
Then who's there?
Because remember, one of the things
that they're doing in the control,
section is the people
that are protecting them,
you know, that they're getting sicker.
Their their defenses are also down.
And that's part
of the weakness of their plan.
They don't see those things.
And the reason why is because they're
very confident they're going to win. Why?
Because they've been winning
for 500 years.
But that doesn't mean
they're still going to continue to win.
Because remember,
the rules of engagement change.
When you move the rules of engagement
to different locations,
different latitudes, different altitudes,
different zip codes, guess what?
The battle's different.
The battle that Simon will fight,
the battle that Nathan will fight.
The battle that I will fight.
I don't believe
are is going to be the same battle.
But what's the end point?
The end point is
we are lock, stock, unison together
because we understand
how to destroy a one world government.
It is through multiple access and control.
And here's the irony.
To circle back to your point,
the founding Fathers found tri
part government
made the United States extremely stable.
What are they trying to do?
Get rid of tri part government,
which they've been very successful at.
They're going to do the same thing
with Bitcoin.
And that's what
we're kind of laying out in this podcast.
We're trying to explain to you
that the covenant between Satoshi,
the white paper and all of us
is also constantly under attack,
and many people don't realize it
and they need to.
There's so many people, at least
in my country, in the United States,
who are oblivious of this.
I mean, I've seen Simon fight
with them in rooms.
And, you know, I wanted to get on Twitter
space to say, look, stop arguing
with them, because a lawyer from New York
City is never going to get it.
Simon, you're wasting your breath.
The thing is,
is he going to influence
other people in our community?
Yeah, but what does that mean?
That means. Nathan.
Yeah.
I'm just going to say
Nathan's got the job to pass out.
You know, the people on the podcast
to say, look, he's the bitcoin mentor.
You know, do we really want to listen
to this guy packing our parachute.
You know, that's, you know
storing his coins all on Coinbase.
Does that make sense to us.
You know
by posing those difficult questions
and listening
you know to different podcast.
To be honest with you,
I appreciate coming on and doing this
because it's very, very clear.
I'm probably more
optimistic having talked to you guys,
because I think
we're all on the same page on this.
I think the difference is, is that
we just got to tighten up
how we think about those different things
and the, the,
the things that we talk about
in the future.
Because remember, the AI for us
that's coming,
these are new bitcoins, bitcoiners
that are not minted yet.
We have to make sure
they're able to buy bitcoin.
And if they can, then we have to start
thinking about making sure that our peer
to peer network abilities
to share with them is intact and capable.
I think the way we need to think
about our nation
state needs to be codified as well.
If you want to know the truth, I think
if we all get together and do meetings or
we do it like this, we have a roundtable
and get people's best ideas.
We do it
like the Continental Congress did.
We get in there and fight with each other
and say,
look,
this is what I think needs to happen. Why?
Because I do think we need to be more
unified and more wise about how we do it.
There's it's almost an oxymoron
to say that decentralized
people
need to be more centralized and consensus.
But the beautiful part of Satoshi's
whitepaper is
the consensus is built into the whitepaper
as long as we do that,
we're good, we're not going to have
to worry about anything
that takes away, you know,
from the security of the network.
We need to actively go after and support.
And that's, you know, part of the reason
I say this, Nathan, is you remember
last time I was on, I made a couple
of controversial points about, you know,
I can like people like, you know,
Peter McCormack that took the job. Why?
He's still Team Orange, you know?
But I need Peter and his
his ilk, his progeny,
to realize this is a battle that we're
all going to fight down the road.
And right now, what we're talking about,
I feel like in America,
this is like, we're in 1760
before King George, really,
you know, slam the shit down
and you know, Ben Franklin
and Thomas Jefferson are with the French,
talking to them about what
the Age of Enlightenment really was,
because they how to get that idea.
The greatest idea of the United States
has ever given the world,
as far as I'm concerned, is
that our inalienable rights come from God,
not from fucking government,
not from anybody else.
And, you know, I feel the same way
about Bitcoin, to be quite frank with you.
Yeah.
The fact that we're having all these
attack vectors is a positive thing.
If we if we weren't important,
we wouldn't have all these attacks.
And the fact that we're an antifragile
network is an important thing.
One of the things that I think, you know,
even Peter McCormack is a
a classic example, he still thinks that
there's a political solution and Yeah.
charge.
Like we're telling you who's in charge.
You've got the tech pros, you've got the
finance pros, you got the military brass.
You know,
this is the top of the structure.
All our governments are owned by them.
Like you talk about this tri government.
But so is the five person.
podcast I
mean let's let's be let's be frank with it
because you know, we say this, you know,
people in the audience are going to be
you have to realize part of the reason
why I said I wouldn't go on
Tucker Carlson, why wouldn't go on Rogan
Palantir owns Rogan.
Anybody who's looked into it knows it.
Bitcoin really want to go on Rogan's show?
I'd much rather come to Nathan Show
because I think, you know, BTC
sessions is not a douchebag.
The only my only complaint
is that I don't think he engages enough.
He's too Canadian.
I want him to fight
more like the hockey players do.
And you know, that's part of the reason
I like you, because I like
when you go after other Bitcoiners.
Because you know what?
I Nathan said this on the last podcast,
Steel Sharpens Steel.
And I think that's kind of the message
that I really want to get out,
that I could still talk shit about you,
but it doesn't mean I don't like you.
I mean, I still respect your opinion.
I look at what we're going through
right now, just like a look
at an Eminem conference.
You're trying to make me
a better neurosurgeon by pointing out
maybe what I'm missing.
And that's a good
thing. It's not a bad thing.
Yeah.
And just so now I want
to close the loop on the Jax Zach Shapiro.
I think Zach Shapiro's
part of the Bitcoin Policy Institute.
The Bitcoin policy Institute, he's
a Zionist for a stall, by ideology.
I called him out on that publicly.
And secondly, if you look at his team
in the Bitcoin Policy Institute,
it is around, you know,
you go ex-CIA people in the team,
you know, in plain sight, but
also with the things that he was doing,
he was bragging to me about the projects
he was involved in.
Apparently,
he was saying that he was standing up
for the market samurai case
and so the Market Samurai case
was where he was
saying, yeah, we're trying to make sure
that you get self-custody.
We're trying to stand against central bank
digital currencies.
And so you got to understand that these,
you know, these, within our community,
these different they, you know,
and they're trying
to raise finance
from the Bitcoin community.
And that connects to the market
samurai thing.
Even the current debate around
nuts versus core.
Just think about it.
What is the core essence of the debate?
You've got one faction of core that says,
we want the ability
for everyone to put shit on the chain
and spam on the chain.
What is spam on the chain mean?
It means tokenized real world assets.
It means NFTs. It means shit coins.
It means stablecoins.
It means central bank digital currencies.
And that's one side of,
you know, the debate.
What does Larry Fink want to do?
He wants to tokenize everything.
They want stablecoins.
They want all these covert operations.
Now, what's the you know,
what's the the other side of the debate
is that they're saying, well, we want to
maintain the ability to take out the spam.
Now, if you're someone that's looking
to control Bitcoin as much as you can,
you're thinking about
we control it through the spam,
but also we control it
from the other side.
If somebody has can filter our spam,
then we can force them
to filter out other things.
And so you got both sides of that debate.
And depending
on which side of the celebrity worship
you're on, you're going to bow down
to one of your celebrities and say,
yeah, you know, and that's why I say
it is critical thinking.
Remember what Bitcoin is.
Bitcoin is an open source boardroom
with competing differing factions.
There is not perfectly decentralized,
but the most decentralized thing
we have in the world.
And there is constant constant attacks.
The other thing I want to
point out for the people in the audience
probably have gray hair like me.
What Simon just said, that's the
the modern evolution of what's going on.
But this is very similar to what we just
saw happen with Ukraine and Zelensky.
What's the real point there?
The point is to steal money from
the United States through the NGOs. Why?
To make us more in debt so that we'll be
more compliant for what's coming next?
I would tell you the same thing is true
what happened in the samurai case
or the cases
where Charlie Shrem let's make it.
So we put him in house arrest,
take all his money away
so that he can defend himself.
That is like the most
unconstitutional thing you can do.
And in the samurai case, you remember
they actually hid the fact
that when the DOJ went to FinCEN and asked
them,
is the samurai wallet, 
a tool of money laundering?
The answer was no.
And they buried
that in discovery for one year.
So that is a Brady violation.
So that tells you the mindset
of the people in the U.S government.
They give two fucks
about the rule of law. Why?
Because they know
they have so many judges in place
that they can still run the scheme.
It's the ultimate wrench attack and
what's happening to us through history.
Money has been coming out.
What is inflation?
It's the same thing
that's going on with Zelensky.
What, you really want to take it.
So people wake up.
This is exactly what China and Japan
have been doing in North Korea.
You want to know where
all their uranium and, and rare
earth metals are coming from?
They're coming from the people who are
shit coins that had control in China.
That's why that market is broken.
And remember, that market
is going to be really important
to the people like Karp and Palantir.
But are Bitcoiners
paying attention to that, to bitcoiners?
Understand
what David Sacks is really doing,
like the next iteration
of this multipolar world
that Simon is talking about
is going to be based in stablecoins.
If you want to want to know what Latinx
whole game is, that's it.
He went from the primary broker dealer
for treasuries.
Now he wants to run the show.
And stablecoins.
That's the game that's being played.
Is very interesting.
I wanted to kind of tease two things.
Other one,
I had this
thought what you were talking to
was with regards to the multipolar world
is the distribution of hash kind
of giving you
a little bit of a hint of who's
going to be the big players
in the multipolar world.
Okay, perfect.
And then additionally,
Simon, I'll start with you.
I feel like things are going to escalate.
And again, you know,
it's like doom is kind of on the horizon.
But I do think that particularly
the samurai case
that we're going to see at least.
And Doctor
Kruse, to your point from last time,
the Q by a moment for Bitcoiners in the US
might be coming to a bit of an end here.
I have a sneaking suspicion
that it kind of is going to coincide
with the end of the debt cycle.
I'm wondering one,
if you see escalation on the horizon
in terms of regulatory
outright attack on bitcoiners.
And then two, where do you think we are
in the debt cycle at the moment?
Yeah.
What?
The good thing about, Bitcoin
is that the elites
and wealthy want
bitcoin for themself as well.
So they try and create a two tiered
structure just like AML and KYC, right?
You don't want anyone to win money
laundering and you want.
So you create all these honeypots
through regulated institutions.
But in the meantime,
Jeffrey Epstein is fun, is banking through
JP Morgan or PCI
or the Vatican Bank and those networks.
So it's about creating a monopoly.
But it's a it's a bit like,
you know, the,
the islands of,
the British, you know, colonies.
Right. I love that Guernsey jersey.
All of them.
All right.
That's where all the think
just moves everything from London.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I hope people really understand
that point you're making because,
you know, we're seeing it in those banks.
Like you go to Jersey,
you go to Guernsey,
you see the Isle of Man, what's going on?
You can even look at Barbados, Bermuda,
like all the tax shelter havens.
The same shit's
going to go on in in the crypto
shit coin world
that Nick's trying to build.
Yeah.
So, you know, that's the thing.
The elites still want bitcoin.
You know, this is
they don't want to kill the golden goose,
but they just want different rules
for everybody else.
They want to self-custody,
but they don't want you to self-custody.
And so they're launching these ideas
for you to worship
and say and creating tax incentives like,
you know,
and all these different types of loopholes
for you to put your money with that.
I want to link people with different acts.
And you talked about the AI side as well.
Look, the reality is, is that nothing
stops this trade like I mean, the, the,
the trillions that are being invested
into taking us down this world
is something that we can't stop.
But what can we do?
What can we learn from that?
If you want to boycott the Federal Reserve
and the Bank
for International Settlements,
then, Bitcoin,
if you want to boycott Blackrock ETFs,
you own it in Self-custody.
If you want to boycott the banks,
then you don't borrow against your bitcoin
and you stop mining fiat currency
by putting it with a custodian
and borrowing against it.
If you want to boycott
this artificial intelligence,
then run your own
LMS on your own local environments
because you're not going to compete
by staying outside the system.
We're moving to this AI world.
Nothing stops that train.
But what can you do?
You can run your own LMS if you want
to boycott the globalists, the Zionists,
whatever your different iteration,
the Fabians, we all have different.
You know, where the saucer,
then you spend local,
you move to places which are rural.
You build your own communities
by people of fundings.
You don't borrow from the bank,
you get 30 people together.
The, rich Bitcoiners and you,
you know, put some in
and you build your own community
and you build and you,
you shop from farmers
and you support local like this is,
you know, this is where we chip you're
our vote is not voting for a politician
and expect in Trump or Mamdani or whoever
the loaf the next person is,
is us looking after ourselves,
building our own community,
spending local, not borrowing.
You got to you got to boycott the systems.
And that's what we need to do.
And so our own, our labs, our own
investments in decentralized technology,
our own self-custody.
And here's the thing.
They ain't going to take it away.
They're only going to allow the elites
to have it.
So you go to stack your Bitcoin
and become one of those elites,
because there's only ever going
to be 21 million
and you become one of those elites,
and then you can 
that's how we influence the system.
You know, and that's what that's
the resistance that we need to understand.
And we need to look at every attack vector
that is happening in Bitcoin
and understand that these idol worship,
we don't worship the idols we don't trust.
You know, we verify, we find it out.
It's an open source boardroom.
You can accuse everything you want.
If you want to create a conspiracy theory
about Simon Dixon,
you can look at all
the different companies I invested in.
You can look at all the things that I did.
I invested in Celsius.
That was a Zionist operation.
But I'm open source,
sharing my experience.
And you don't trust me?
You recognize that I could be compromised
because we all can be,
and we make sure
that we get the best outcome by
making sure that all these different parts
of the ecosystem are is decentralized.
There is never going to be anything
more decentralized than what we have here.
So just because we're
we're pointing out the attack vectors,
we're pointing these out
because when I'm not going to do what
Michael Saylor does, I'm not going to say
we got the perfect bitcoin
and everyone should custody
and everyone should borrow against it,
and you should buy my stock
and we should borrow as much fiat currency
so that JP Morgan has complete
leverage over me.
I'm not going to say that
we've got to get closer and closer
to the way the Bitcoin was designed,
which is money you can own money
that has a fixed supply, money
you can spend and constant attack vectors
to try and change, those core things.
We have nodes, we have miners,
we have users.
We have companies
that try and centralize it,
and we just need
to make sure that we're vigilant
and we're talking about the real shit,
and we're pointing out the compromised
and attack vectors
that people are worshiping.
I'm falling for head over fist right now,
and it has to be global.
We can't centralize this
all into one honeypot, ecosystem.
This has to be, you know,
we in a multipolar world,
you have countries that hate each other
mining Bitcoin so that when one, goes
out of control, the one that hates each
other sees an opportunity.
Amazing occurs.
Anything you want to add to that list?
Now, I was going to say,
now that, we've laid the podcast out and
you probably can't mark at the end of this
because we really agree.
I mean, if you really think about it,
I don't think there's a big disagreement.
I mean, the same thing is true
when, you know,
the communities that I'm building,
I, I'm way ahead of that game.
I've been doing that for 20 years.
Do I think you have to hold passports
from people that hate each other? Yes.
Turkey
and Iranian passports are really good.
Do you want to drive a Mercedes Benz or,
you know, a Lamborghini?
No, because they send all the information
back to Peter Thiel
to put it in the algorithm.
So maybe you go buy a Changan
or a Gwm car.
I don't give two fucks
if Mao has my my information,
but that's the
the kind of thing that we need to start
to talk about on podcast
instead of talking about, I don't know,
the next great wallet are hey,
are you involved with MSG? Why?
What's your point there?
You know,
I just think that, the future is bright.
I don't want anybody to leave here
and think that it's not because it is.
I am very bullish about humanity,
the human blockchain.
And I'm extremely, extremely bullish
that that human blockchain
is powered by Bitcoin.
That's the. Key.
Yes. Beautiful.
The last
thing I just want to ask you, Doctor Kruse,
about in time, I'll let you jump back in
as well. Two is that you spoke about.
We need to basically
we need the savages to coordinate.
We need the somewhat centralization
of our decentralized division.
Do you have any thoughts on strategies
or tactics for Bitcoiners
to coordinate to deal with this situation?
Yeah I do I probably don't want to out
it right here.
But I would say you've started it today
with me and Simon.
I also would say like when Max and Stacy
have a golf tournament,
if Simon doesn't play golf,
you should still come,
because it's the things
that we're going to talk about there
that are going to be interesting.
Do I think signing up for a ticket to go,
I don't know, to Bitcoin Las Vegas
makes sense.
No I don't think it makes sense at all.
Why would you want to have a meeting
in a place where you know,
they try to kill Ms., you know,
and gave you a bullshit psyop story there
that we have to be smarter
about this shit?
And do I think there's going
to be opportunities for us to meet?
I told you, Nathan,
and I'm telling you again,
maybe we can let Simon in on the
the the game.
I think maybe we need to buy a lot of 60ft
catamarans
and meet each other in the ocean,
you know, outside of Madagascar.
Maybe.
Let's go see what Antarctic is
and what they're doing down in the holes
in the ground there.
We need to get out and see the world
and build the world that we want.
I mean, we all know that the world
is fucked up in very many ways,
but we have the ability to change
what they're doing.
We absolutely do it.
If you didn't get anything from this
podcast, please, at least get that.
And we all have special abilities.
We all know history
in different ways, in different epochs
and how they fit together.
You need to understand the evolution
and what's coming.
Because guess what?
When you think we're done,
then we need to do this.
When I'm probably on my deathbed, you're
you got gray hair and Simon has gray hair.
Because going to have
a new generation of bitcoiners
that we have to teach
how they try to screw us.
In the 1990s, 2000s, 20 tens,
you know, in 2020s.
We need to tell them the story about
what happened with the Treasury companies,
what happened with Nick,
what happened with Trump.
And we have to be honest about it.
I think that's really the benefit.
And I, you know, I, I applaud you and Ben
for putting this together on short notice
and doing this because it sounds like it's
the audience that asked for this. Yep.
how happy the audience is going to be
when they find out that
Jack, Nathan, and Simon really
aren't that far off.
And where we're thinking about things,
I think it's a good thing and just know
that I think our union is strong.
I really believe that the Bitcoin union is
strong because we're savages.
Agreed.
Simon.
to I want to add to that as well.
Look, the very fact that people
are excited about us doing a Jerry
Springer show, and you getting
some entertainment is a problem in itself.
Because we're here.
I'm a I'm a serious guy,
and bitcoin's a serious topic.
We can have fun.
I'm not saying that,
but this is a serious topic.
You know, we're talking about something
that is probably the last hope,
that we have in terms of a technology
that can resist against this.
So you got to understand,
you just got to be smarter.
Now we have an open source boardroom
where we call everything out.
But if you find yourself tuning in
for entertainment for a Jerry Springer
show, then you're not utilizing your time
correctly.
You know, because you are in an algorithm
and you're going to scroll you
and they're going to make you hate people,
they're going to hate you, hate Muslims,
they're going to make you hate
the Democrats.
The crazy radical left, the Republicans, 
the women, they're going to
they're going to they're doing things.
Your algorithm is trying to make
you dumb, stupid, hateful.
Have your
mind where you're eating all the wrong
shit, injecting yourself with vaccines,
like doing all this shit
that's going to make you weak.
They want you, you know?
They want you a vegetable,
essentially. Why?
They don't want you having children.
They literally.
They're flooding.
Is the Zionists a flooding us with a live,
real time genocide
while they're blowing our children in real
time, backed up by a network
that is trafficking our children
through pedophilia rings.
So what I'm saying is,
if we have one thing on this earth
that we are meant to do,
and I don't know your spiritual belief,
because I do believe
there is a greater plan.
And Invo has an elastic band.
When it gets too damn evil,
it flicks right back.
But if you if we have one thing
that we're meant to be doing,
we're going to have our children, women
to look after our children.
We're meant to be looking after our body.
We're meant to be staying mentally strong.
And everything they need for you to win
is weak.
With no children, and that you're
having sex with some kind of bot.
The Elon Musk
addicted to pornography
while you're injected with a vaccine
eating some kind of weird type of food
that's giving you cancer
so that they can fix their pension crisis.
So I.
pay Simon to say any of that.
my message for 20 years.
That's you basically described MKUltra.
The brain health initiative,
and the Stanford
Research Institute,
that that whole program
is the reason why Peter Thiel
and the trans humanists are in power.
And all the algorithms.
That's the reason why Google was built.
All of this is part of that story, and I,
I can't
I can't disagree with anything you said.
I just thought it was funny hearing it
come out of you,
because it usually comes out of me.
That's absolutely beautiful.
I love it so.
Stack sats, see the sun. You need $7.07.
That makes. That's
exactly the mission that we got to go on.
Try to jump on some boats and maybe
have some conversations in the future.
Gentlemen, this has been fantastic.
I would really love to do it again.
Maybe like next year in a couple months
or something particularly.
There's any big events
that we can give an update on, kind of
where the existing system
is currently pushing us
and what people in Bitcoin
need to be on the lookout for.
So with that, Simon,
please tell me everywhere
everybody can go check out your stuff.
Yeah.
I go live once a week as a discipline,
and I cover this week
in tech and bitcoin this week in macro
and this week in geopolitics.
And I tried to funny the, follow the
trail and connect it all together.
I publish that on YouTube so
you can subscribe to my YouTube channel.
Simon Dixon.
And, I also have a bunch of backups
in case all those networks get taken down.
But I put everything on Simon dixon.com.
And I'm regularly on X, and, you know,
if I get taken off of any of these,
different channels and networks
and I've got a whole,
decentralized system for publishing,
and at some point,
I know I'm using ax and I'm no,
I'm breaking all the rules at the moment,
but at some point
we're going to recognize
we're really building
our social credit score
and we're going to get
knocked off these networks,
and we're going to have to go
decentralized at some point.
So everyone be ready for that.
Because, you know,
this ain't going to last forever
for us to be able to talk like this.
I agree, uncle Jack.
Tell them where they can find you.
Jack Kruse.com.
Or Kruse at that's Incom.
I'm been building this community.
It's fully decentralized already
that I am.
I own lem 
I have servers in many different places,
so I give to Fox what they do to me.
You can find me
with my big mouth on Twitter,
but I'm always doctor
Jack Kruse on every social platform.
I think for the biology stuff,
my website
is still probably the best place to go.
But I think for the stuff
we talked about today,
until Elon Musk muzzles me, probably
Twitter is probably the best place
to get the live feed of what
my stream of consciousness is that day.
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