Joe Rogan Podcast: A Deep Dive into Health, Politics, and the Modern World

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Summary Date: 2025-11-19 13:42:09
# Joe Rogan Podcast: A Deep Dive into Health, Politics, and the Modern World ### Health and Wellness - **Glasses & Vision**: The hosts joke about new glasses that supposedly improve vision, concluding they are mostly psychological. - **Red‑light Therapy & Supplements**: Red‑light beds and lutein‑rich supplements (e.g., Pure Encapsulations’ Macular Support) are credited with improving eyesight and reducing the need for reading glasses. - **Sauna & Hydration**: Discusses sauna protocols, water intake, electrolytes, and magnesium, noting the prevalence of online “gurus” offering advice. - **CBD & THC**: Explores the benefits of CBD oil for joint pain and anxiety, criticizes regulatory limits on THC content, and blames the alcohol lobby for keeping marijuana illegal. - **Nootropics**: Mentions Alpha Brain, Neuro Gum, Magic Mind, and other brain‑boosting supplements, emphasizing personal experimentation. ### Politics and Government - **Interviewed Politicians**: Briefly references past guests like Thomas Massie and the difficulty of interviewing “dangerous” figures. - **Legislative Critique**: Highlights bipartisan attempts to gang up on dissenting politicians and the insertion of obscure clauses (e.g., hemp/ CBD restrictions) into bills. - **Healthcare System**: Criticizes opaque pricing, profit‑driven hospitals, and insurance practices that discourage preventive care. - **Prison System**: Points out that a large share of U.S. inmates are non‑violent drug offenders, describing incarceration as a profit‑making industry. - **Immigration & Census**: Discusses how undocumented residents affect congressional representation and the political motives behind border enforcement. ### Media, Conspiracy, and Technology - **Social Media Algorithms**: Warns that platforms amplify echo chambers, radicalize users, and make it hard to discern truth. - **AI & Surveillance**: Mentions AI‑driven facial‑recognition, data‑mining, and the potential for a surveillance state; cites concerns about foreign influence on platforms like TikTok. - **Bioweapon & Gain‑of‑Function Research**: Touches on debates over lab‑origin theories for COVID‑19 and the ethical dangers of weaponizing pathogens. - **Historical Propaganda**: Describes how war movies and government‑sponsored films shape public perception of conflict. - **Conspiracy Narratives**: References alleged scandals involving Epstein, secret government projects, and the manipulation of public opinion. ### Personal Reflections & Podcast Philosophy - **Growth as a Host**: Reflects on evolving from a “party guy” to someone who seeks deeper, human‑focused conversations. - **Family Connection**: Mentions listening to the podcast with his mother, highlighting personal significance. - **Future Goals**: Wants to feature more genuine human stories, improve informational content, and maintain curiosity without aligning with any political side. ### Sponsorships - Brief ad reads for Visible (mobile plans) and Blinds.com (window treatments), illustrating the commercial aspect of the show. The episode is a whirlwind of health hacks, political skepticism, and tech‑driven anxieties, underscoring the importance of questioning authority, seeking reliable information, and staying curious in an increasingly chaotic world.
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>> The Joe Rogan Experience.
>> TRAIN BY DAY. JOE ROGAN PODCAST BY
NIGHT. All day.
>> Who? Me?
[laughter]
>> Sorry. I didn't know you were talking
talking to one of
>> There's only three of us in here. Yeah.
Are there [laughter]
>> I don't know, dude.
>> The glasses, man. What's the new
sophisticated look?
>> Yeah, I got them.
>> What's going on? I I I see I see you got
them. Yeah, they're great, man. My buddy
Joseph gave it gave them to me. I got
them from him.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. And they're popping. And they
help, too.
>> Yeah. Are you losing your vision?
>> I don't think so. But I think these just
make it even better.
>> Okay. Let me see. Let me try them. See
how bad your eyes are.
>> Try them on, big dog.
>> Oh, barely.
>> I could get them weighted, too, so you
could do a neck workout when you have
them on.
>> Why would you do that? This is uh God, I
can't I can't tell the difference.
Are you sure these are real?
>> I think they are.
>> I don't think these are real glasses,
dog.
>> Let me see. Try. Can
>> I don't think they Jamie, put these on.
I don't. First of all, they're smeared
as [ __ ]
>> Yeah. Somehow they keep getting grease
on them, dude. All I've done
>> You got greasy [ __ ] fingers and you
keep touching them. You're not supposed
to. Look at you. You're rubbing your
head. You're rubbing your greasy face.
>> I don't even go in the kitchen.
>> You don't need grease. You don't need to
go in the kitchen for grease. Barely
tell the difference. Right.
>> It's doing something, but
>> barely. Barely. This is psychological.
>> It's like it's if it's if you're 20 if
you're not 2020, you're 2025.
>> These are these are psychological, dog.
>> You really You don't think they're good?
>> No. No. I'm No. What I'm saying? I mean,
they're fine, but they're psych,
right? Like I've been reading too much.
>> Um they're uh I think it's a
psychological thing.
>> Yeah, it could be.
>> You got to believe that they make you
see better.
>> My vision's okay. It's not as good as it
was when I was young.
>> I got to read the packaging again. But
it's a lot better than it used to be. I
started using red light, a red light
bed. Makes a giant difference, man. Huge
difference. Yeah. I don't need reading
glasses anymore. I needed reading
glasses for a while. Like look at my
phone. Like it was fine text. I don't
read it. I don't need it at all anymore.
>> And that's because of the red light.
>> Oh yeah. 100%.
>> Yeah. Red light therapy and certain
vitamins like luteine. There's a few
different There's a company called Pure
Encapsulations.
They make a formulation called macular
support and I I take that stuff. But
those two things for sure have had a a
big impact. I think it's the red light
though more than anything. That was the
big that's the big factor.
>> I've been doing sauna and I've been
getting in there.
>> It feels good. I feel like a little
dumpling when I get out of there.
>> Yeah, it's good. Yeah.
>> Right.
>> Yeah, it feels good. Yeah.
>> Get that body all heated up and
everything just kind of flows out of
you. I saw a protocol of what you're
supposed to do before you get in there
and I've never done any of these things,
but it's like how much water you're
supposed to drink before you go in.
[snorts]
>> [ __ ] all that. 45 minutes you're
supposed to go you're supposed to drink
uh like a liter of water with
electrolytes and some magnesium.
>> I don't know. Some guy made this. That's
the problem. Like everybody's an online
guru.
>> Yeah. Well, everybody everything they
watch it's like they think you're trying
to get in the Olympics. It's like [ __ ]
I'm just trying to [ __ ] get to work.
[laughter] You know what I'm saying?
[ __ ] I'm just trying to [ __ ]
>> I just want to feel a little bit better.
>> Yeah. I'm just trying make it out of my
garage.
>> Give me an edge. giving an edge on this
cold, hard world.
>> Yeah, that's the only thing, man.
>> That's all I'm looking for.
>> But good to see you, dude.
>> Good to see you always, my friend.
>> I'm glad you're still alive.
>> You, too. I'm glad you're still alive,
too.
>> Amen.
>> We've both been interviewing dangerous
people.
>> Have we, you think?
>> Uh, yeah. Yeah, definitely.
>> You really have. [laughter]
>> Who have I interviewed that you have it?
It's more dangerous.
>> Oh, I don't That's a good question.
I mean, I did I don't Yeah. I don't
think I have people that's that
dangerous. Maybe Thomas Massie.
>> Oh, do you have him on?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. They all hate him right now. It's
uh this is a sad thing about both
political parties, not just the the
right, but the left, too, is they decide
that they're going to gang up on someone
for not towing the line.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, like whatever happened to
having different opinions? whatever
happened to having different
perspectives and being able to argue
your perspective.
>> But then they have these goofy ass
bills, which by the way, they just
[ __ ] they slipped something into this
last bill that uh Mitch McConnell guy
did, I believe. Check make sure that he
did it. The hemp thing.
They slipped this thing in where you can
no longer buy CBD with like it has to be
like the lowest trace amount of THC in
it
>> which is for a like like my wife's mom
you know she's an older lady and she
takes CBD for pain for joints and stuff
like that.
>> Does she smoke it or she does the
ointment?
>> No, she takes like uh oil like CBD oil.
>> Yeah. He snuck in [ __ ] dead turtle.
He's a leaning proponent of closing a
2018 Farm Bill loophole allowing
intoxicating THC to be sold in low
doses. See, but he's got a couple of
[ __ ] milligrams in his neck. Look at
that [ __ ]
>> He's got something going on. They
definitely got him medicated. There
ain't no way that guy's sleeping without
help. Everybody hates him.
>> It looks like he hit a joint. It won't
leave him alone.
>> Go back up [laughter] and show him.
>> Like took an edible. He like Joey Diaz
dosed him.
>> He looks like he's on the church. He's
on the church of what's happening now.
And Joey Diaz sucker
>> Joey Diaz and Lee are just staring at
him. H Yeah. Um they gotta change that.
That's uh really bad.
>> Why is it bad? Because of what they
>> Because for people that are getting
benefits from CBD, the the THC along
with the CBD. And by the way, we're
talking super super low amounts. But
there's something about how CBD and THC
work in a synergistic way for people
that are in a lot of pain. Um, I know a
lot of people, like I said, my wife's
mom, she says the stuff with the THC in
it works better and it's not getting her
high. Like, this is the
misunderstanding. This stuff's not going
to get you high, but it what it will do
is it helps with anxiety for a lot of
people. It definitely reduces
inflammation and uh for people that have
like joint pain like my friend Dave
Foley,
>> Dave Foley from News Radio, kids in the
hall, Dave Foley, awesome guy. Uh Dave
had like pretty severe arthritis in his
hands like where, you know, he was
really having a hard time opening his
hands. Started taking CBD oil.
>> Did he open a jar or anything like that?
You think? Was it hard?
>> He was in pain, man. It was it was bad.
Um but now it's gone and it's gone
because of CBD. It's really effective,
man. It's really effective. And so what
they're saying that they don't want you
to Why Why are they doing that? Cuz they
want to control it.
>> It's the alcohol lobby. It's the same
people that are trying to keep um
marijuana illegal in Texas. It's the
alcohol lobby. This is the fact. The
fact is when people start smoking weed,
they they drink less.
>> And you know, I mean, it could be
because they just decided to get high
and not get drunk, or it could be that
they smoke pot and they get a little
paranoid and they go, "Oh my god, why am
I poisoning myself 5 days a week?" Well,
a lot of people now I feel like are just
doing like cocaine and saunas. It seems
like
>> I don't think they're doing those
together. Maybe in your neighborhood.
[laughter]
>> Not in our area.
>> Maybe it's your town.
>> I want my neighbors to know that.
>> Maybe your neighbors are coming over
their underwear with a [ __ ] baggie.
[laughter]
Let's go, Theo. Let's go. Let's get get
that [ __ ] up to 185. Let's [laughter]
go. There's a place up ahead.
>> Throw that water on them rocks. I'm
ready. I want my [snorts] nasal cavity
to be opened wide.
Get that lucalyptus in the air,
[laughter]
bro. Dude, the best is Yeah. If you have
if you have a good brother or somebody,
they say eucalyptus, bro.
>> Eucalyptus. Get the eucalyptus in the
air.
>> But yeah, I don't know if a lot of
people are even drinking that much
anymore. Do you think
>> lot less people are drinking, including
me. But I did have a drink the other
night before I went on stage and I felt
great. Woo! I haven't done that in a
while. I had a little whiskey before I
went on stage. But I gave up on drinking
entirely for many months. I forget how
many months, but it was quite a while
where I didn't have a sip of alcohol and
I felt way better. You did?
>> Yeah. But I don't think there's anything
wrong with moderation. You know, like uh
when I was in uh New York, I went to
this place, Teresi. Oh my god.
>> For MSG, you mean for for the pipes just
now?
>> Oh my god. There's this Italian
restaurant in New York City called
Teresi.
It's so good.
>> Well, remember that place you took me
to?
>> Oh, yeah. Ganos in Vegas. Oh, so good.
>> Thank god the the little
>> Oh, bro. All handmade pasta at Gaitanos,
man.
>> What was that little thing? It's like a
little square. Looks like
>> raviolis. Oh my god. Right.
>> Like a shingle fell off the roof of
heaven and landed in.
>> Yeah. With that sauce just perfect soft.
>> And Gaitanos is uh like a lot of it.
It's It's like the best ones get their
flour from Italy cuz it doesn't [ __ ]
with your stomach. Our flour is all
messed up, man. Our wheat's messed up.
>> Oh yeah. A lot of our wheat's from
Memphis, dude. A lot of our wheat has
like Yeah.
>> All kinds of pesticides on it.
A lot of it has.
>> Yeah. A lot of it has guns. It is like
[ __ ] bullet holes in our wheat.
>> You could test positive for coke just
from that. Just from eating wheat, just
from having bread.
>> Do you know how many dollar bills test
positive for coke? It's some crazy
number.
>> Yeah. I could imagine that that's
probably true. This guy tests positive.
Huh?
>> Is that your stepdad?
>> No, that's Art Bell.
>> You don't know who Art Bell is? Coast to
Coast with Art Bell from the Kingdom of
Nigh.
>> Yeah. Perup Nevada. That's him.
>> Yeah, that's Art. He's the godfather of
fun conspiracies.
>> Yes. He's like UFOs,
>> the radio station, you could listen at
night,
>> dude. He was my nighttime jam coming
home from the comedy store.
>> I could see that
>> always cuz you're coming home from the
comedy store, it's like, you know, 1:00
in the morning and the art coast to
coast with Art Bell is on. The guy calls
up, "At I'm a time traveler." [laughter]
>> HE HAD A TIME traveler hotline.
>> Yes, he did.
>> He was you. He was you, you freak. How
many time travelers you've had in here?
Probably a couple.
>> Oh, yeah. At least one. A couple that
probably can't find their way home to
>> at least one. I've had at least one
time.
>> No, dude. That's you. I could totally
picture it now. You like you get a car
with some speakers in it and you're the
only one driving around listening to Art
>> Bell. Oh, there's a lot of people
listening. He was really popular.
>> Oh, no. I know how popular he was. But I
mean, at a level where you would bump it
with bass like you loved it,
>> right, right? Yeah. I loved it. I loved
it. You know, it's like the perfect
stuff to occupy your mind coming home
from the comedy store because
occasionally it was like real [ __ ] Like
occasionally he'd have some people
talking about some really fascinating
things, you know, like asteroid impacts
and and he had Terrence McKenna on a few
times. He had a lot of interesting
people. But then every now and then he
would mix it up with a dude who says
he's a werewolf. [laughter]
>> And Art would never go, "Man, you ain't
a werewolf." He would go, "Interesting.
Tell me more." [laughter]
He let dudes talk.
>> He let dudes say the most ridiculous
[ __ ] It was [ __ ] great.
>> I got to do his show once. I got it. I
did it. Yeah, I did it when
>> I did it when it was on the radio or on
the internet rather. He wasn't on the
radio anymore. He had an internet uh
radio show for a while.
>> Did he know who you were at that point
or No.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Luckily, but uh to me it was
like [ __ ] yeah. It's like a few things
in my life where when I did them I was
like yes, you know, that was a big one.
I hung up the phone. I had a giant
[ __ ] smile on my face.
>> I just did the Art Bell show, son.
>> Dude, that's so cool that that's him. I
can't tell if I can see him better with
or without these on.
>> I think it's psychological. I'm telling
you, those glasses don't do a damn
thing. They don't even change the shape
of your face. You know how sometimes
people put them on and I always go, "How
blind is this motherfucker?" And I'll
look to the side and I can see like
their face cakes in like [laughter] like
a half a foot because they got giant
magnifying glasses over their eyeballs.
But with you, it looks exactly the same.
The line of your face doesn't change at
all when you turn side to side. I think
they're [ __ ] with you. I think they
think you're crazy and they're like,
"His eyes are perfect. Just give him
some clear lenses." You're like, "Yeah,
I think I think this works. I think I
see better than these."
>> I think Y'all got a vape pen? [laughter]
>> Yeah.
Let me hit that vape, homie. There is
something about when uh people wear
them, they look smarter.
>> Oh, for sure, dude. My friend was
wearing them the other day. This girl,
and I was like, "Dang, this girl is
>> she must be a genius."
>> Yeah.
>> Hot secretary or hot professor. Hot lady
professor.
>> Let me do some homework up in them
undies. That's what I was thinking.
>> [laughter]
>> Yeah,
let me get up in that study hall, baby
girl.
>> Let me get extra credit points. Let's
go.
>> Yeah, dude.
>> But if you're a dumb dude with glasses,
that's a bad look.
>> Cuz not only are you blind, but you're
[ __ ] stupid, too.
>> It was like Stephen Avery's cousin, that
little fellow that stood by the like was
grilling hot dogs on that burn barrel in
the uh remember when they when they
>> Who's Stephen Avery?
>> The um
>> Who's Stephen Avery?
>> Describe him. the murders from the the
like Netflix thing from the I think it
was a pandemic, wasn't it?
>> Making a murder. Was that him?
>> Yeah,
>> I can't remember.
>> What was his case?
>> He was a murderer. Well, they said he
was. Was he the Yes, he was a murderer.
>> He's in jail for it.
>> He's in jail for it. And he had his
little cousin.
>> Oh, this is the guy that's a little
mentally challenged. Yeah, I read some
stuff.
>> And his little cousin, that's him. Has
shades on.
>> Brendan Dassy B Dassy,
>> who's actually We did a little bit of
pen paling with him. tried to. Anyway,
>> what do they think about this? Do they
think that
>> I think he did it. I think there was
like I I believe people said that the
Netflix thing got like edited strange
and left stuff out that
>> that's the thing. You can't tell what's
real anymore. Who knows?
>> Well, selective editing is crazy. It's
crazy that they still do that.
>> Well, everything's crazy right now.
>> I know.
>> I mean, I feel like this is the year. Do
you feel like this is the year that um
people realize that like ne both of the
neither side of the government is
working for us? Is that a weird thing to
say?
>> Well, it's true. It's pretty obvious
that it's true. Okay. They're all
working for the people that got them in.
So, no matter what they even if they're
good people that want to do well for
you, their obligations when they get in
there are the people that help them get
in there. They're the campaign
contributors. to the military-industrial
complex, the military contractors, the
big money, big money banks, big money.
That's what this all this government
shutdown [ __ ] was all about, man. It's
all about healthcare, right? So, it's
all about how much money is getting
funneled through these corporations. If
you really think that what they're
trying to do is make sure that people
get health care, you're [ __ ] naive.
>> Yeah, you're ridiculous.
>> What they're doing is they are
protecting some kind of slush fund. If
somebody digs into this and finds out
where that money's going and finds out
how this money's distributed, it'll make
more sense because there ain't a [ __ ]
chance in hell that they're keeping the
government shut down to protect your
health.
>> Yeah.
>> There's not a chance. There's not a
chance they're shutting down the [ __ ]
air traffic controllers. [laughter]
Not a chance. They're shutting down NASA
cuz they're worried about you getting
the flu. That [ __ ] is not happening.
That's not what's going on.
>> But I think everybody's starting to
realize that. Dude, I went to the post
office. Have you been to the post office
recently?
>> I have not.
>> Okay.
>> Not since I voted. That was the last
time I was at the post office.
>> Okay. Well, it's over. So, [laughter]
if you want to know what the post office
is like, dude, I went I'm not even
joking. I went to the the closest branch
near me in Nashville. There was two
birds. There was two crows in there.
Two. One of them was a crow. Definitely.
One of them was a pretty big bird, and I
thought it was a crow, but he had some
discoloration or whatever. So, maybe
like a mulatto crow or mixed crow or
something. I don't know.
>> Okay. f pulling a [ __ ] like fighting
over a [ __ ] box in there and there's
a lady um kind of like a darker woman in
there and she's spraying [ __ ] Lysol
trying to get them out of the [ __ ]
post office. I was like
>> Lysol.
>> Yeah. Or like a fabuloso like a
[laughter]
cleaning spray like a disinfectant.
>> Oh, okay. Yeah, got it.
>> Like she's standing on a little
stepladder trying to [ __ ] get these
two birds who were fighting over a
[ __ ] package. I was like we're
[ __ ]
>> We're [ __ ] man. That's and that's
that's the government, right? That's
biblical.
>> Yeah. I mean, I'm sure it seems like a
Stephen King outtake, you know?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> But I'm like, this is where we are. This
is
>> this is how like everything's privatized
now. It's a wrap.
>> Do you feel like it's a wrap? Like, I've
been thinking for years that America
just feels like a Shell company, like a
Shell LLC.
>> Here's the thing about it being
privatized. Some things probably should
be privatized because they work better.
>> Okay. They were like FedEx came along,
UPS came along, so those came along.
>> But the post office still does a good
job, man. You know, the
>> I'm going to disagree with that. I'm
sorry. I never disagree with you. I
don't think
>> the post office is the only people that
are sending sending letters for you for
like 30 cents or whatever it costs. And
then the post office are the only way
that you could ship chickens, live
chicks, like little baby chicks. They
have to do it through the post office
because they know what to do and they
keep them alive. They know they're
chicks.
>> Oh, that's nice. I didn't know that. All
the we've had chickens, you know, and
every chicken we get when we get them,
they're baby chicks
>> and they come in the mail.
>> They get them through the post office.
Post office delivers them.
>> Can you hear the package like that? It's
like
>> Yeah, bro. The post office it works.
It's not perfect because it's the
government and there's no government
programs that are perfect. You know,
>> it doesn't work that good anymore,
though. I think it's [laughter]
it's gotten so bad, dude.
>> The post office
>> maybe,
>> bro. It's gotten bad. I sent my niece a
birthday card, dude. She never got it.
She never got it. It had money. It's
gone. It's gone. She'll never get it.
Bro, you know what always? Nobody's
getting anything.
>> The videos of these people dropping off
UPS packages. They take a picture of the
package and then they steal the package.
[laughter]
>> I've seen that. I've seen videos of
that. I think people are kind of hip to
what ring cameras could do. But, bro,
there was a quite a while where people
were doing some really [ __ ] horrible
[ __ ] right in front of those cameras cuz
they didn't know.
>> They didn't know. You can't be just
stealing people's packages after you
drop them off like the [ __ ] UPS
driver, you know?
>> It's a [ __ ] wild time. a lot of
videos of that man. They put him down,
take a picture, and they pick him up,
take him back to the truck
>> and take him back,
>> and then the camera's like, "Hey, [ __ ]
face."
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> Hey, [ __ ]
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>> Listen man,
>> they should have different like ring
camera like a voice like this is Mr. T.
You need to bring that package back,
sucker.
>> That is one of the dirtiest things.
Porch pirates. People that are just
stealing [ __ ] off your porch. That
>> to get that close to somebody's house to
be right there. Yeah,
>> that's one thing I like about living in
a state where there is the ability to
express something.
>> You're talking about guns
>> bulletarily. That's how I like to say
[laughter] it.
There's the ability to express something
bullarily to somebody if you disagree if
their behavior see is illegal.
>> Yeah. You got to be careful about what
that though the laws are different in
different places. Like even if someone's
stealing something, you're not allowed
to kill them.
>> Yeah. Um, a guy just got in trouble
because some dudes, I think there was
three dudes, broke into his garage and
he uh went into his garage and they went
after him and he shot them and he killed
one of them and now they're bringing him
up for manslaughter cuz I guess they're
saying he didn't have to shoot them. He
could have just scared them or he didn't
have to kill them. He could have just
retreated back into his home. Like in
California, they're [clears throat]
literally telling
>> stuff like a like a
>> I was just scared of them with a gun, I
guess.
>> I guess. But like you don't know what
they have. You don't know what's going
on. These are split-second decisions
you're making with your life in danger.
And then if you have a wife and
children, bro, you're going to shoot
first and ask questions later. You're
not going to make a mistake that's going
to have your your kids killed.
>> Yeah. You can't be like, "Are you scared
or what?" You can't say that kind of
[ __ ]
>> No, bro. It's scary. Someone's breaking
into your home. You have no idea what
they have. If you have no idea if
they're there to kill you, if you no
idea they're there to rob you, if
they're going to duct tape you and
torture you for a week, you don't know
what the [ __ ] is going on. And if you
have a gun, you're most likely going to
use it and you're going to shoot them.
And the fact that these people broke
into his house, they were committing a
crime in defending his property and
maybe his life. He's getting charged
with manslaughter. That's that's
ridiculous. This is the This is the
problem with liberal politics.
>> [clears throat]
>> And this is where I would get really
confused because I'm like, I don't know
what they're trying to do. But if I was
going to try to destroy civilization,
that's how I would do it.
>> Yeah.
>> I would keep keep letting violent people
out, keep saying it's racist to keep
them in jail, keep saying, you know,
they're a victim of systematic racism
and keep and just like let the violent
people stay being violent, and then when
people defend themselves, lock them up,
have everybody scared. Like, if you
wanted to destroy society, you would do
it exactly this way. And I don't
understand that. I don't understand.
Like it's
I understand being a kind, compassionate
person doesn't believe in gun violence.
Absolutely. But if that's the case, like
there's no better deterrent to gun
violence than someone who has a gun and
you can't get to their house because
they'll [ __ ] shoot you. Okay? Like
that's that's a really good deterrent.
Unless you're going to have police
everywhere and you don't. So like, who's
going to protect people from bad people?
If you're going to admit that bad people
exist? If you want to stop bad people
from happening, that's a conversation
I'd love to have. That's a real
conversation. Like, let's figure out how
to clean up a lot of these neighborhoods
and figure out what's causing all these
problems.
>> But nobody wants to do that or it would
have been or would have been done by now
at this point. People just want to kind
of keep these higher powers. They know
what they're doing. It just starts to
feel like the experiment, like we're
just really seeing the experiment, you
know? It's almost like say you were
playing the game Mario or something and
one day Mario instead of just going this
way on the screen, he [ __ ] turns and
looks at you
>> and he's like, "I see what you're
doing." That's what it feels like we are
right now. Like we're we're looking
right
>> at the people controlling everything and
like
>> Yeah.
>> Oh,
>> that's all because of the internet, dog.
>> But [clears throat] it feels like
>> if it wasn't for the internet, no one
would be looking because we wouldn't be
getting these conversations,
>> right? We'd still be we'd still be
people would still be disillusioned.
>> You'd be getting CNN. You'd be getting
some horseshit version of what's
actually going on. But because the
internet and real independent
journalists and and people that are
breaking things down, you start to go,
"Wait a minute. What the [ __ ] is going
on?"
>> Yeah.
>> Who is who is doing this? Why are you
doing it?
>> Want some coffee, dog?
>> Can I have some?
>> [ __ ] yeah. Of course you can.
>> Oh, thanks, buddy.
>> Um
>> Yeah, man.
>> I mean, we're the first generation that
has had Cheers, my brother. Cheers, man.
Good to see you, dude.
>> Good to see you always.
>> Really am excited to see you.
>> I'm excited to see you, too. Always.
[clears throat]
>> And I'm excited to see you a little
clearer than I did.
>> I don't think you are. I think it's I
think they got you. I think they're
[ __ ] with you, man. I think they're
giving you placeos, too.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. I think they gave you a Let me
take some whatever pills they give you.
Let's see what happens.
>> No, these are 15s. I think these are
good.
>> 15s. What does that mean?
>> I don't know. Oh, this
you fogged up.
>> [laughter]
>> You fogged up from the coffee. Gotcha.
>> You [ __ ] gave me this molten coffee,
dude.
>> Black rifle in the house.
>> Is it
>> always? That's all we drink,
>> dude. I went uh Oh, yeah. Well, there's
Yeah, I'm just at the the journalism
now. I can't I know this is too hot for
me right now.
>> It's not that hot. Look,
>> I'm going to need glasses for my tongue
after I drink this, dude.
>> No, it's not that hot. No, no, it's an
illusion. It's warm.
>> It's decently hot, you know? Like nice.
Nice.
>> Yeah. Refreshing.
>> Yeah, like refreshing. Not like ouchie.
Why can't Starbucks figure that out?
>> Because it I don't even think that's
coffee anymore. It's almost become like
McDonald's. It's just a It's a
>> It's burnt.
>> It's a taste. It's just a thing.
>> I drink black coffee. That's what I
drink. That's what I like. I got into it
a while ago. Like Rick Ross, bro. It's
like Rick Ross.
>> You know what I got into it, Jamie?
Remember when we had that guy Peter
Giuliani on that was the coffee
connoisseur? That got me into I started
drinking black coffee from then on. That
was a long time ago. At least 10 years
ago, right?
>> I had a real coffee connoisseur on.
Yeah. cuz I wanted to know all about
coffee.
>> Samo kind of.
>> Yeah, man. Dude, it's f He brought in a
bunch of different coffees. We were
tasting like these Ethiopian blends that
almost was like lemony.
>> He was like, "You taste the hints of
lemon?" I'm like, "I do."
>> Yeah.
>> Did you know all coffee comes from
Ethiopia?
>> Uh-uh.
>> Yes.
>> Some of it comes from some of it comes I
know from um there's Kona coffee, isn't
there?
>> Right. But it all originated in
Ethiopia. That's where the plant
originated.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Yeah. So, they moved it into South
America. also like they started making
it in Colombia. They make it in Hawaii
has bombdiggity coffee. Kona coffee is
some of the best coffee in the world. I
guess probably the soil like something
about the in Hawaii. If you if I [ __ ]
drink my own piss in Hawaii, I'm still
[laughter] it's a little better than if
I'm drinking it in [ __ ] outside of
Akran. You know what I'm saying?
>> A smoke stacks in the background. Can't
be drinking a liter of piss before you
get in the sauna with your neighbor.
[laughter]
>> Yeah. Or I get a little bag for my for
my
>> Someone's got a urine therapy protocol
that you have to take with your cocaine.
>> Dude. Yeah, bro. Even a hot batch of
piss in Hawaii tastes way better.
>> That's so true. But I drink it in
America. Like I I used to order cone of
coffee.
>> Yeah. [snorts] But yeah, I mean
>> before I went Black Rifle exclusive.
>> Yeah. Well, I met the guy from Black.
He's a good friend of mine.
>> Nice guy.
>> I love him to death.
>> Yeah. He took me around whenever
whenever I was there.
>> He's one of my absolute favorite people.
Oh, I'm wearing one of his shirts. Look
at that dog.
>> He treated me super well, dude. He's the
best,
>> dude. Somebody Oh, Candace Owens sent me
that thing. It was a um
>> You got notes.
>> She sent I just
>> You brought notes.
>> There's things I wanted to talk about. I
just want to forget [laughter] them.
>> Okay.
>> My my [clears throat]
It's been hard for me to remember stuff.
>> Okay.
>> So,
>> I'll help you out.
>> You will?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> You get some Alpha Brain. Take some.
Have you ever Do you ever take vitamins
for your brain?
>> Nope.
>> It works.
>> I will take some.
>> Yeah. You should there's a bunch of
different kinds [clears throat] and you
should try what you like. Um but another
real good one is um this company uh
Neuro Gum. They make neuro gum and
neuromint.
>> I've heard you talk about it.
>> That's really good. There's a one called
True Brain. They make like a little
shot. That's really good.
>> Magic Mind I know has one that I think
is pretty good.
>> That's a different one. That's a
different kind. They use mushrooms, but
that's a good one, too.
>> I think synergistically they would all
work well together. But there's legit
vitamins that work on your brain.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. that work on your memory.
>> Yeah. I wanted Yeah. [clears throat]
>> Yeah. I'll probably I would like to
>> I'll give you some before we leave. I
have some Alpha Brain Black Label around
here somewhere. I definitely have a few
bottles in the kitchen, but that's the
best. Alpha Brain. I've tried them all.
Even though I know I'm associated with
Alpha with on it, and I'm probably
lying. I'm not this I I tell you about
all the other ones. I don't make a penny
off of them, but Alphabrain I think is
the best one. It's the most effective
>> and it's the the only one that I know of
that did two double blind placeboc
controlled studies with the Boston
Center for Memory
>> Alpha Brain.
>> Yeah. So, we did that because a lot of
people were saying it was snake oil.
>> The Boston Center for Memory. Like, how
many UCLA ass
[laughter] in 2001? You know
>> what year did the Socks make it into the
series?
>> Dude, one time I was going into a show.
[clears throat] We were outside of B. We
had a show outside of Boston. It's like
a theater. It's like 15, 20 minutes
away. Um, and I'm walking in. I'm
walking in late. Everybody's already in
there. I think the show had started. And
so I'm coming in and a guy and his wife
are walking by with pizza. They're
heading in. And the guy's like, "Dothy,
give him a [ __ ] pizza. The guy's
starving. He's late for work." And I'm
like, "I'm fine." And like, and first of
all, why don't you just give me your
pizza, dude? He's like, Dorothy, this
kind of like kind of big back lady. She
said that is muffling down a piece of
pizza, dude.
>> He was trying to give get you to give
her pizza. his wife to give me her
pizza. I'm like,
>> but not his pizza. Interesting. That's a
bad relationship.
>> He's like, "Don't you see the guy's he's
running late for work?"
>> He's trying to tell his wife he's fat
and he's doing it a subtle way.
>> Well, he was using me. So, I'm like,
"Dothy, I'm fine." You know?
>> Yeah, he was using you,
>> but it was just like a like just Boston
thing [clears throat]
>> or he was just trying to have some
conversation. It might have been that.
Maybe we're looking into it too much.
[snorts]
>> Dude, I had a dream you were an EMT,
dude. Have you ever had that?
>> Really? You had a dream I was an EMT?
>> Yeah. And I've had it two times
>> that really like I was like tending to
car accidents and stuff.
>> Yeah.
>> Really?
>> Mhm. And I think it was in Boston. I
think that's what even made me think
about it.
>> I could have gone down that route in
life maybe if things had been different.
That's possible.
>> I could have saw that.
>> That [snorts] could have happened. I
almost joined the army when I was uh 18
for their taekwondo team. There was a
dude, God, I think his name was Clay
Barber. Um he was one of the national
competitors that I I looked up to uh
when I was on my way up and he was uh in
the army and he had uh like the army
paid him to train and I was like oh [ __ ]
you could join the army and they'll pay
you to compete you know because they had
an army boxing team like I believe Ray
Mercer was on the army boxing team when
he fought in the Olympics and won the
gold medal.
>> Do you have to be but do you also have
like do you have to do service as well?
>> Is that him? No, he was a a black guy.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, there's that. See the T window? So,
it says right there to the right.
>> Yeah, the the one with the right where
it says his name right there. Click on
that.
>> Which one you looking at?
>> The one that your cursor is over, dog.
>> Clay Barber. Right there. Yeah. So, he
was really good in like uh I guess it
was probably like 86
or Yeah. Somewhere around I was 18, so
it had to be 85 or 86. Oo, baby girl.
>> But that that's the dude right there. He
was an elite um national competitor in
my weight class.
>> He'll kick a [ __ ] whisper out of your
mouth. That dude's a gangster, huh?
>> Yeah, he was really good. Um but he was
competing for the Army team. And so I
was like, maybe I should join the army.
And then I thought about I was like, I
don't want to get shot. Like what am I
doing? Like I I don't trust anybody.
You're
>> Did you try on the clothes at home or
anything? Did you do anything?
>> No, I didn't try on the clothes. I
saluted the mirror in the mirror a
couple times.
>> I'm like, no, we're good.
>> Yeah, dude. Yeah. I I guess I don't know
if I could see you being in the in the
army, but yeah, it was just a dream. It
was just I think it was like you
honestly I think it was like you and
Gogggins I think were maybe like EMTs or
whatever.
>> That sounds like something Gogggins
would do.
>> But y'all did not [ __ ] you guys did
not deal with anybody's [ __ ] Like
you guys showed up and you were like get
the [ __ ] up. [laughter]
>> You're like what the you [ __ ] [ __ ]
I think I don't even think you had any
like I don't think you had even a step.
You had like a whistle like [ __ ]
[laughter]
You know what Gogggins does that a lot
of people don't know about? He smoke
jumps.
>> Oh, really?
>> Yeah. Like for smoke and play high
school basketball.
>> That's very different. It's very
different. He he parachutes into fires.
>> Oh, yeah. That's not it.
>> Like in Canada
>> for fun.
>> Uh because it's hard.
>> Oh,
>> literally. But because it's hard to do.
Dude's worth like $30 million. He jumps
out of [ __ ] planes with parachutes
and and he sent me a photo uh of a giant
ass [ __ ] grizzly track. This they
they landed in Canada at this place and
right where they landed to fight these
fires was like I mean like a grizzly
track
>> and he was like wish me luck. [laughter]
>> I was like dude get the [ __ ] out of
there. You see that track? Get the [ __ ]
out of there. That's a,00B
wild dog.
>> Wow. And he just does it cuz he wants
it.
>> Cuz it's hard to do.
>> You're landing just in the smoke.
>> Yeah.
>> Now, when you get in there, do they have
a plan of where you're going? Is it
fire? It's firemen and fire women in
there.
>> I Well, there's a lot of different tasks
that they do, but one of them is you're
digging a fire break. So, you're dig
Like a lot of what happens is embers
land on the ground and then that starts
a fire, right? So, what they do is
they'll they'll clear the ground for a
wide area where the fire is coming. So,
the fire's on its way. They'll get ahead
of the fire and then they'll clear a
giant path on the ground.
>> Baby girl, that would scare me.
>> It's scary.
>> That would scare me.
>> Guys die. I mean, they 100% they get
trapped and they die. The wind shifts,
>> you know, things sometimes things are
unpredictable.
>> Um, but he does it just cuz it's hard.
He's so crazy. Does he have to sign a
con? He must have to sign something,
huh,
>> bro? I don't know what he does. He
doesn't I bet he doesn't even tell him
he's David Gogggins. [laughter] He just
shows up. I'm telling you, man. He's
He's a different cat. Like, he's he's
the real deal. Like, he's not pretending
to do all these things,
>> right?
>> You've seen those videos where he takes
UFC fighters on workouts
>> and they're dying. Like, he took Israel
Adosana. Israel Adosagna, two-time
middleweight [ __ ] champion of
the world, one of the best to ever do
it. Elite athlete. dying. I mean, d
couldn't keep up. Gogggins was talking
to him like, "Come on, son. Keep going."
He's like, he's throwing up in a garbage
can. Like, no [ __ ] It's crazy to
watch cuz you realize like the level of
conditioning this guy has. He's 50 years
old. He's not doing it for any reason.
Like, he's not getting ready for the
World Series. He's not in the Super
Bowl.
>> What do you think he's proven it to
himself?
>> You would have to ask him. I mean,
>> he says he's learning things. I'm
downloading lessons like like he's just
he's that guy, man. Like
>> there's a lot of What is that?
>> I found the track. Sorry.
>> What is it?
>> The tracks. The Grizzly tracks.
>> Oh, show me. Show me. I sent it to you,
right?
>> Yeah, it's on my
>> Put the headphones on. All right, check
this out.
>> Hang on one second. [snorts]
>> Show me.
[laughter]
>> Remember that song?
>> Yeah.
Yeah.
>> The cure.
>> The cure. Yeah, they were good. They
passed away. Huh?
>> Did they?
>> I think before they Yeah.
>> I don't think Well, there's multiple
members. Did that guy pass away? The
lead singer of the cures. The cure
rather.
>> What's the matter, Jamie?
>> Well, I had it on my phone. I didn't
have it on my computer.
>> Yeah. And I jumped the gun.
>> Do it. But
>> dude, if you were
>> Why don't you send it to me and I'll
send it to you.
[laughter] And you'll have it on your
computer.
>> I found it on the [snorts]
>> Dude, if you were an EMT, that'd be
sick, huh?
>> I I think it's a bummer, man.
>> I don't even think you'd get with a
vehicle. You'd pull up and be like, get
the [ __ ] up. [laughter] You know,
>> I'd probably be
>> and then Gogggins would go help him.
[laughter]
Gogggin, get the [ __ ] off, you little
[ __ ]
>> Don't know how to make this.
>> Well, just send it to me and I'll send
it to you.
>> I have it. I have it. I just bigger.
>> Here it is. That's good. Give me some
volume.
>> Look at that. on my way.
>> See this grizzly bear prince, man.
>> Look at these [ __ ] dude.
They're as big as my foot.
>> [ __ ] huge.
>> This is a massive [ __ ] grizzly bear.
>> Look at that, dude.
>> Massive [ __ ] grizzly bear.
>> Look at that paw. That's crazy.
>> How wide it is.
>> This is [ __ ] a massive ass grizzly
bear. And as you see,
>> where's it going?
>> He walks right through there through
those woods. So,
>> probably over the mountain.
>> We are in big time grizzly bear
territory.
>> Bro,
that's so sketchy.
>> That's cool.
>> That's so sketchy.
>> He sent me that.
>> Yeah, cuz I was like, "What are you
doing?" He sends me that. This is what
I'm [laughter] doing.
>> Other people are like, "I'm watching
football." That's right. [laughter]
>> He's like, "I just [ __ ] parachuted
into Grizzly country."
Oh, man. There's nothing scarier than
than
big animals like that. Nothing scarier.
>> I get the most scared honestly in my
life. Um, when I was young, they had
like a lot of pedophiles in our area and
I think that kind of like made me
nervous, but probably being in the
ocean.
>> You had a lot of pedophiles in your
neighborhood.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Like how many?
>> I mean, I think at least three is enough
for like a small area.
>> Three is more than enough.
>> Yeah.
>> How come nobody did anything about it?
>> They did. I mean, they put them in our
neighborhood or like [laughter]
>> Yeah.
>> Is that what I mean? I mean, how come
nobody arrested them? Okay.
>> Oh, they'd been arrested. Yeah. These
were guys who were like, uh,
>> they were released.
>> Yeah. They used to have this thing.
Remember when they had this Well, I
wonder when that rule was. It was like
the pedophiles had to go around door
todo.
>> Oh. And let everybody know.
>> No, they were pedophiles. Right.
>> Right. That was a law that they passed.
You had to alert people that a sex
offender had moved into the
neighborhood.
>> Well, we lived our mom worked all the
time and we were just at home all the
time. So, you'd have pedophiles
literally come to the door
>> and let you know.
>> Yeah. and be like, "Is your mom home?"
And be like, "No." And they were like,
"Well, I'm a pedophile." You're like,
"Well, [laughter]
>> that's a problem."
>> Yeah. Come back after 6, you know. Uh,
but so it was just crazy like, you know,
but then at least you did know who the
people were,
>> but it was definitely weird that you're
setting and they they don't live in nice
neighborhoods. You you know, like now
there's a lot of like billionaire
pedophiles that our government protects
and stuff, but back then
>> You really think so?
>> I don't know.
>> I don't know either. That's what makes
me nervous. I don't know.
>> I mean, they just had that thing that
came out about the Trump FC thing the
other day. That whole thing is just a
kickball at this point. I feel like,
>> bro, have you ever seen that video of me
and Tim Dylan where Tim Dylan is laying
out the scandal that took place and like
was it the 1970s, Jamie?
>> The Franklin scandal. What year was
that? I
>> think in the 80s and 90s.
>> Bro, we all dressed up like astronauts
or was that one?
>> Me and Tim Dylan. No. Well, no, we're
dressed normal.
>> Okay. He I don't even think he had the
crazy glasses on back then. That was
before he was protecting his eyes. Now
he protects his eyes.
>> 88.
>> 88. Play that video. I sent it to you,
right? This video is nuts, man. This was
Tim laid this out quite a while ago and
I kind of forgot about it until it
popped up on my feed. I was like, "Oh
shit." And then I said, "I could send it
back to you if you
>> Thank God for Tim Dylan.
>> Oh my god, he's the best. There's never
been a better ranter ever in the history
of ranting. Ever.
>> Ever."
>> Sin too. I bet there was somebody a long
time ago that was good, but we don't
have enough of his work to really
compete against him.
>> He's the funniest by far. He's the most
sarcastic, the most tongue andcheek, and
the most well- read. Yes.
>> The thing about Tim Dylan is like he
doesn't just go with narratives because
he um thinks that you want him to say
certain things. Yeah. You know what I
mean? Like he's very very well read and
he forms his opinions based on facts and
then turns into humor.
>> Yeah.
>> He's the [ __ ] man. Play this. was a
it was a scandal out of Omaha, Nebraska,
the Franklin Credit Union, where there
was a guy who was embezzling money and
then he was being investigated for that,
but they said he's all he has all this
money because he's running an interstate
pedophile network and he's pandering
kids to, you know, people in Washington
DC and New York and it was a a headline
in the Washington Post or the Washington
Times that were like callboy get a tour
of the Reagan White House. unidentified
White House aids in the Carter, Reagan,
and Bush administrations now are being
investigated for using the services of a
callboy ring. The paper reports that two
of the male prostitutes were given a
late night tour of the White House last
year.
>> And you know, this was a scandal with
real victims wanted to testify and then
people started dying. You know, the
private investigator they hired, his
plane broke up. Uh, one of the girls
that uh testified was found guilty of
perjury and that she was put in solitary
confinement. They had to use two grand
juries in Omaha to get rid of this
scandal. And it's one of now it's not as
sexy as like a pizz or something because
it happened in the 80s and '90s, but
this shows you the blueprint for the
government, you know, using marshalling
resources to to silence people that were
victims of this stuff. This is not new.
Congressman, senators, blackmail being
used by intelligence agencies. None of
it's new. It was pioneered by the mafia.
You're having sex with somebody who's
underage, then they own you forever. or
if they have photo, audio, video of you
doing that.
>> Wild.
Wild. So, if that existed at all in the
1990s, okay,
>> that Mitch McConnell guy was around back
then. You know, a lot of these Nancy
Pelosi type people, they've been around
since this photos of Nancy Pelosi with
JFK. Think of that.
>> That was before we didn't go to the
moon.
>> Yeah.
>> It's 1963.
>> That was before Israel didn't kill him.
>> You think so? I didn't say anything.
>> I heard you say Israel killed him.
>> You did?
>> That's what I heard. Maybe.
>> Jamie, did you put something in this?
>> They didn't. The glasses. They didn't do
it. Oh, before Israel didn't do it. Oh,
I see what you did.
>> I think uh
>> I didn't say anything.
>> I think Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
>> Lee Harvey Oswald went to my middle
school. Do you know that?
>> No.
>> Yep.
>> What?
No [ __ ] Was there a plaque?
>> Uh, [laughter]
no. We did have a thing. There was a
thing
>> that everybody recognized.
>> Lo. Yeah.
LH
you guys called him.
>> Yeah,
>> like Elron Hubard. [laughter]
>> LHR. They all salute Elron Hover. Salute
LHR with a big Ever see Tom Cruz with a
big pie plate medal. He got a medal for
being the most awesome guy ever.
>> He [laughter] did.
>> Yeah. From Scientology. And he salutes
the photo of of a science fiction
writer. Bro, it's the kookiest thing.
You never seen
>> plate,
>> bro. They does he even seen those
desserts Scientology awards?
>> Nuhuh.
>> They're
>> I can see him eating a lot of desserts.
Really?
>> They're amazing.
>> I didn't even know that.
>> Look at that pie.
>> The times now.
>> Okay. These are the times we will all
remember.
>> Were you there?
>> What did you do?
>> I think you know that I am there for you
and I do care. So very very very much.
>> What is this about? Is this a Marie
Calendar's ad?
>> Bro, what this is is amazing. Just watch
this.
>> Okay. Sorry.
>> Guys, we're counting on you.
>> Right.
>> To Lrh.
>> To LR. Wow.
[laughter]
>> Crazy, right, bro? You want a Mission
Impossible guy? You want that guy?
That's what you get. Okay? You don't get
a normal dude who's that good at acting.
You get a [ __ ] crazy person
>> who's that good at being himself
>> with a pie plate around his neck. A
golden pie plate for being the most
awesome guy ever.
>> He salutes a science [laughter] fiction
author who's, by the way, one of the
worst writers in the history of writing.
>> Elron, I've done the thing in New York
where they try to electrocute you and
see if you care about him or whatever.
>> Oh, I I got that.
>> You know what I'm talking about? I did
that in San Diego.
>> You did?
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> When? I was filming a TV show down there
and uh you know we were in the middle of
a break while we're filming and um they
had like a like a conference table set
up. It was like free personality test
>> and I [clears throat] was like what is
this? And I kind of knew what it was. I
knew it was dietetics, you know, which
is Scientology.
>> Mhm.
>> But the guy was like they made him do
it. You could tell he was like not
enthusiastic at all about it. You know,
he would like ask you questions about
like has one of your pets died like that
kind of [ __ ] like you hold his e-meter
and it would just I'm like how does this
work? Like what what is actually making
this happen? You know, I had all these
questions that he had no answers for
[laughter]
just and then I started.
>> Of course you did. That's your whole
life.
>> Elron Huard wrote more fiction
>> Yeah.
>> than any human being that's ever lived.
>> He wrote more things that were not true,
more published fiction than any human
being in the history of all human
beings. that guy, the guy that created
Scientology.
>> And you know how he did it? It was all
terrible. He never wrote a second draft.
Everything was just nonsense.
>> One hit wonder.
>> One hit wonder. That's kind of
>> typing. Uh brave. He was nuts. He was
out of his mind.
>> But people liked it enough though.
>> Did you ever see that show? They didn't
though. He wasn't successful until he
really started. I mean, he was he did a
lot of those like goofy magazines and
stuff. This is a long time ago, you got
to realize. But then once he started
religion, that's when things took off.
That's when like started making money.
Gave himself a lot of He gave himself a
bunch of awards, too. You ever see like
he had he wore a jacket and he had like
all these awards on his chest that he
had given himself. [laughter]
>> That's crazy. [laughter]
>> They love to give awards.
>> That's like the Golden Globes or
whatever.
>> Yeah, same thing. You know, it really
is. [laughter]
>> They give themselves awards for being
the most awesome people. How cra I mean
that whole it's all [ __ ] ridiculous
weird but that's what I'm feel I feel
like all of these balls of yarn that
used to feel like they made so much
sense
>> and they kept us warm and they gave us
senses of purpose I feel like all of
them are becoming unraveled but it makes
me wonder what's going to happen now are
we because these are a lot of things
that have felt like some of the
blueprints of our existence you know
>> you know what makes me nervous
>> does that make any sense to you when I
say that 100%
>> cuz that's kind of what I guess I'm most
scared about I think like even this year
it's like some of my sense of purpose or
like I just worry that other people
don't have a sense of purpose or what's
going on and it makes me kind of scared
sometimes.
>> Well, that's a good perspective and I
think it's accurate. Um, what makes me
nervous is the people that are not aware
that all of our assumptions of how the
government works, we're all based on
[ __ ] The people that still believe
that are like true believers of one side
or the other, true faith in government
and experts, those people make me more
nervous cuz some of them are smart.
That's what's crazy. When smart people
are completely unwilling to recognize
that conspiracies are not just real, but
they're also not rare, they're they're
very common. They're common and people
get away with them. Yeah. especially
when they're in positions of extreme
power like running intelligence
agencies. Like they and there's a lot of
things that they do that are morally
reprehensible but totally legal. Like
they can do it because they're allowed
to because they are a three-letter
organization and they have ultimate
power to do a lot of like really gross
things that are in the nature or or in
the the interest of national security.
So like this is the whole idea behind
it. They say like this is our our
decision. This is the best move for
national security. This is how we
compromise assets. This is how we gather
information. This is how we keep America
safe.
>> But are they're not our why is it our
FBI and CIA are working against us?
That's what it feels like. They're just
tricking us about everything. It feels
like
>> they're tricking some people um on
purpose.
>> But why why is that even their goal?
Like I thought that they
>> because they're trying to arrest people.
So this is the problem with your career.
Like, and this has been explained to me
by a lot of people that are experts and
people that know. John Caracow explained
it this way. Your your reputation is
based on how successful you have been
arresting people, cracking cases.
>> And so, people set up cases so they can
break them.
>> They basically set up an escape room and
they're like, I know how to get out of
here. [laughter]
>> And they pretend that they're just like
a regular wizard that stumbled into the
escape room. No, you set the whole thing
up. Yeah, that's what it is. Well, it's
the same as like
>> there's a bunch of those stories.
>> Oh, I think it's the same as even with
like Hollywood and you know, I remember
one day I was walking in the Century
City Mall over there. It's in Los
Angeles. It's off of Santa Monica
Boulevard
>> and there was a uh like a blueco collar
guy walking by. He had him like he was
working construction. They were building
something there. And I was like he's
like Theo, what's up, man? So, we're
talking for a minute and I was like,
"What are y'all building?" He's like,
"Dude, you're never even going to
believe this. we're building. He's like
10 10 floors, 20 floor building. He's
like, 10 floors are uh uh talent agency
and the other 10 floors are for the CIA.
And I was like, what? I was like just in
the same building just happened to be
that's what you're building. He's like,
yep, that's what we're building. And he
wasn't lying. I don't think he was lying
to me. It just seemed like a it was just
>> a weird mixture.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. But I think that this starts to
happen. News stories get created, right?
things get whether they're fictional,
whatever goes on, you don't even know a
lot of times what's news stories. You
can send actors out to create a scene.
You see a video, you believe it. Um and
then they make movies.
>> That's been done before,
>> right? That's been done before.
>> Oh, yeah. There was but then you see
movies and stuff come out later about
it. So, it's like you're almost creating
your own um news to then make like a uh
based on a real story. You know what I'm
talking about?
>> Yeah.
>> Like it's all just a
>> I guess. [laughter]
Yeah. Like they they let the talent
agencies know that they're about to do
this so you can start casting the the
dramatic. [laughter]
>> It makes sense cuz it's like then you're
just you're
>> God.
>> But it's just like what do we do? You
know,
>> well they've been doing this forever.
They've been doing this forever and you
know they've been shaping our views of
war and you know that's one of the
reasons why they started making all
these war movies.
>> Do you know that? [clears throat]
>> Okay. So, in World War I, one of the
problems that they had was people didn't
want to be over there killing people.
Yeah.
>> And so, people were shooting, but they
weren't shooting at the actual enemy.
They would like shoot over their heads
or shoot to the left of them and to the
right of them. They didn't want to kill
people.
>> And they realized like that you take
people just regular people from the city
and from the farm and put them in a
uniform and tell them they have to go
kill people. This is no YouTube back
then, no television back then, right? So
their ideas of what's right and wrong
are all based on their life. Yeah. Their
actual life. And so then they realized,
well, we've got to do something about
that. And so after that, they started
creating all these really patriotic war
movies where the guys are heroes. They
go over and they shoot all the bad guys
and then they're awesome. So then the
next group of people that go to war are
all going to be indoctrinated with these
films. And these films are that
America's the best and we're number one.
We're going to go over there and this is
how you get all the girls. You be a
[ __ ] hero and go over there and shoot
those Germans.
>> Yeah. And come back and play with a tit.
>> Exactly. Come back and get ridden like a
[ __ ] cowboy.
>> Yeah.
>> Tits will be here when you get off the
boat.
>> Yeah.
>> Um,
>> baby girl.
>> And that's uh that's what they did. They
they mean
>> makes sense
>> for sure. Advertising.
>> The CIA and you know various federal
organizations have a say in how
America's portrayed in movies, right?
Right. It's like if you're going to get
access to if you're going to do some
film on the, you know, the Pentagon or
something like that, you you bet [ __ ]
this better make us look good, you know?
They're not going to let you make them
look like a bunch of bumbling [ __ ]
retards that are just doing it for their
career. No, you better make us look
good. You can't fake what the Pentagon
is, [ __ ] You know, and you're like,
"Okay, sir. What? Tell me how you'd like
Mr. Cruz to talk about his work."
>> And you know, you'd make them look like
the most awesome human beings that have
ever been. So that way you like you want
to support them, you want to fund them,
and you want to listen to them when they
talk it on the news.
>> Well, in a lot of like the projects, I
think they have to have people from
these organizations that come and like
oversee how the organization is
presented, right?
>> Yeah. So, it's like if you want to do
something where the Navy's involved, you
have to have people there from the Navy
that are like overseeing it and making
sure that everything is uh presented um
to, you know, to be true to the Navy,
but also like there could be maybe some
manipulation there. But we just had Gary
Sice was on the podcast. Man, it was
really cool.
>> Oh, he's cool,
>> dude. If you ever want to donate to
something or people do, man, what just
an impressive his whole organization is
>> What is he doing?
>> Well, he does a lot of stuff for
veterans, right? He does a lot of stuff
for first responders, you know, or EMTs.
>> Um, he does a lot of stuff for um
>> he does this thing where they take kids
who have lost a fan a parent to the in
uh military action. Um he takes them to
Disney World every year like this big
group of them, you know. Um
>> just but just like really
>> like does it, you know, like he has a
band that plays. He there's a bunch of
organizations. cuz he was like one of
the first responders of um out there
feeding people uh feeding the first
responders who were there at the
Palisades when that happened. Just like
a lot of neat stuff, you know, did
>> you ever think you'd be in the position
you're in where you're just having all
these weird conversations with
interesting people?
>> Cuz this is not like
>> No.
>> When I first met you, I would have never
suspected that this would be a path that
you would go down.
>> Yeah. Not at all. You know, it's
interesting that you went down that like
how what what led you to want to start
doing that?
>> Well, I think a couple of things. I
think um
>> well, I think I I didn't know I was kind
of competitive in some ways,
>> you know, like I think um
I think I'm kind of competitive. Like I
want to see what's possible that's maybe
inside of me,
>> you know? [clears throat]
>> So competitive with yourself or
competitive with other people that are
also doing it? um just competitive
because I think I I there was I felt
like maybe some people thought this
thing like oh this guy can't do it
>> you know interesting
>> I don't think that's I think there were
some people that maybe like oh I'm
surprised that this guy enjoys this or
likes doing it but I think there was
like
yeah that this guy can't do it and I
just never had a voice when I was a kid
you know I never had a voice
>> like
>> you know so much of my childhood I think
I just couldn't even speak up for myself
I didn't even know what I wanted to say.
I didn't even know what my feelings
were, right? I just
>> right.
>> I was just like this. I just
>> it it just felt
tough, you know? And so I think when
>> yeah, when I started to kind of get into
podcasting and have a little bit more of
a voice
>> and then
>> to get to talk to some people that I
that that that I felt like were
important that weren't getting voices,
like even like we had a doctor from Gaza
on last year
>> or this year and that was like a moment
for me. I was like, "Oh, this is
important stuff." You know, like um
other people aren't putting this voice
out there, right? Some people are, but
like the mainstream media I don't feel
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>> And it just
>> Well, that's not what they do, you know?
I mean, the the reason why we can do
what we do is because there's not really
anyone over there doing they never
figured this out before. They never
figured out that hey, there's a lot of
people that are in their car for hours
every day. They're on the train for
hours every day. They're in the gym.
They're doing different stuff where they
want to listen to things. Or when they
come home, they don't want to watch late
night TV. They want to watch an
interesting conversation, you know,
>> and that just they didn't know that that
was a thing. That's all that was. We
snuck in. I think we snuck in. I think
they had no idea. They thought this was
just shitty radio.
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> and I think my whole life, I think
people looked at me and thought, "Oh,
this dude's just [ __ ] shitty radio,
>> you know, or off the beat like that in a
way, you know." Well, I think like when
was
>> and I still think it is my show. I mean,
look, I feel lucky to have a show. We
work hard, you know, with podcasting. I
feel lucky to get to talk to a lot of
people. I don't think we do a lot of
information type of stuff, you know, and
I wish we could do better with that
sometimes. I think maybe that's a goal
of mine next year is to try to learn
more stuff just in the day-to-day so I
can have conversations that are maybe
more important, but then also maybe
that's not what I'm supposed to do and
I'm just supposed to be just having
conversations that are fun. And so,
>> well, I it's what you're supposed to do
if that's what you want to do.
>> But what I think is the only important
thing, the only important thing
>> is what you want to do.
>> Yeah. And
>> to be genuinely curious about whatever
you're talking about.
>> I agree.
>> You know, and then hopefully be talking
to someone who's telling the truth.
That's where it gets weird.
>> You know, sometimes people will be
charismatic and they'll be very
persuasive, but it it turns out they
have an agenda. They're not telling the
truth. And you might not know that. that
that becomes a problem. Yeah, I realize
some people are taking advantage of the
fact that uh that they'll come on and I
I sometimes have been a little bit naive
to think that somebody would do that,
but people do do that.
>> Oh, 100%. Like heads of state, you know,
like if you're going to have someone
who's the president of a country that's
in the middle of a war and they want to
come on your podcast and talk, you're
not you're going to you're not going to
get anything objective. You're going to
get them selling that they're the good
guys. And uh that's weird. That's a
weird one because unless you're an
absolute expert in what is going on in
that region and you know exactly what's
true and what's not and there's two very
compelling and very loud narratives, you
know, good luck. Good luck sorting out
that conversation. I'm not interested in
having those conversations, but I am
interested in having conversations with
people that I' that I think are
intriguing, you know, that I think are
being honest and uh whether I agree with
them or not, they're being honest and
they're intriguing. That's what I like.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think some of that is
me learning a little bit more. I mean, I
think I do like having stuff where
people have more feelings and their
stories about stuff, you know? So,
that's something that I would maybe like
to focus on more next year, like
people's genuine genuine human
experiences, you know, like a guy or a
woman or a kid, somebody who's been
through something, you know, wants to
share some of that.
>> So, maybe that's something I'll try to
get into a little bit more. Um,
>> I don't know. But yeah, I just feel
lucky. Like my mom listens to my podcast
every week, you know, and we never got
to spend any time together when I was a
kid. So sometimes that kind of even
keeps me going, you know?
>> It's like she's like our biggest fan.
And so
>> it's weird.
>> Got to make her proud.
>> It was just so weird when I was a kid
like she didn't have any time and then
now she just like, you know, she loves
Yeah. So I think Yeah. I don't know. And
it's like just afforded me a lot of like
just neat opportunities. Yeah. sometimes
talking to people like we got to learn
about like the healthc care last year
and how you know a lot of these
political parties have put forward these
um like um like these presidential
what's it called when they sign
something like this is an order like an
executive order right
>> that price transparency needs to happen
with healthcare right and so that was
something that I realized was super
important to me
>> because
>> like Bernie Sanders agrees with it Trump
agrees with it uh Thomas Massie agrees
with that Ro Khan agrees with. There's
all these people that say they agree
with it and everybody says, but it never
really gets to where it needs to be,
right? So, you can go to a place and a
hospital can charge you anything for an
MRI, right? They're supposed to show
their prices like a menu.
>> And if they do that, then they have to
compete. You could call two places. This
person's like, "Well, it's 30,000
bucks." And this person's like, "No,
it's 700 bucks."
>> So, you're going to go there,
>> right? But they they keep it vague so
they can like keep the prices really
high and then they can keep this whole
insurance rigomearroll going on.
>> Well, they're private corporations.
That's what's nuts and the private
companies own hospitals. They're
private, you know. So that's why they're
hoping
>> that they're there for your best
interest. What they're there is to make
the most money possible and to one of
the ways they do that is they're
incentivized to give you certain
medications financially. financially
incentivized to give you certain
pharmaceutical products and they make
more money if they do that. I had Mary
Tally Bowden on the podcast. She's a
respiratory um physician and she uh
doctor, whatever it is. Um she was
saying that if she vaccinated all of her
patients, she has a very small practice.
She vaccinated all of her patients for
COVID, she'd have made $1.5 million.
>> Wow.
>> Like that's that's motivation. Like
that's not
>> for sure. Someone someone's not going to
they're not going to give you objective
advice unless they they're a really good
person like she is. They're not going to
give you objective advice. What they're
going to say is, "Hey, they say you
should take it. I say you should take
it, too, because I want to go I want to
go golfing."
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> I want a BMW and I want to go golfing.
So, take it.
>> I don't care if you're in a [ __ ]
wheelchair in three weeks at a
mocarditis.
>> I want an M5. I've got it picked out
already. I want the carbon interior,
[laughter]
>> carbon fiber accents.
>> It's just Yeah. So,
>> but like
>> it's a trap.
>> It's a trap. But learning about like
that kind of stuff like things like that
used to be like, "Oh, this is a little
cause that like means something to me."
You know, because then you think there
are people probably right now that are
afraid to go get health care because it
and all then it messes up your credit,
right? Like the number one cause of
bankruptcy in America is medical debt.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. Think that's crazy.
>> It's crazy. So now you're in debt and
now this the stress of that it's like
>> the also the problem is this system is
so deeply intertwined in our society
that to unwind it now and somehow or
another start some sort of competent
social medicine but that's the other
problem is socialized medicine has not
been effective anywhere like everywhere
else like the difference between it's
really a difference between money like
if you have money in America and you
break your leg you can go to a really
good doctor and you get your leg fixed
break your leg,
>> right? If you have money and if you're
using if you have socialized medicine
and you're in England, for instance, I
have a lot of friends in England that
have they use the socialized medicine
there. They have it in Canada. Like my
friend in Canada, it took her a year to
get a knee reconstruction and they did a
terrible job of it. They repaired her
ACL and she's still she's [ __ ] She
can't fully straighten her leg out.
>> Yeah. Every time she [ __ ] look Yeah.
She just moonwalks everywhere.
>> She's got a limp. A noticeable limp.
They just [ __ ] it up. They did a
shitty job. And you know, look, that
could happen in America, too. But you
could get an operation quicker here. It
But it's really just money. And the real
problem with America is that you could
have something really wrong with you and
you have insurance. And then your
insurance denies you coverage for what's
wrong with you. Like Ben Ascrin, you
know the story with Ben Asrin?
>> I know he's been getting better, right?
>> He's been getting better. He had a
double lung transplant. He had lung and
the insurance didn't cover it.
How How could you not cover that? Guy
gets sick. It turns out he's a very rare
like I think it was like a staff
infection or some kind of bacterial
infection that was eating his lungs.
>> So they had to put him on a respirator.
He's on a respirator for a long time.
Then they had to give him a double lung
transplant
>> and insurance companies didn't cover it.
>> Yeah.
>> It's like what are you even there for?
And then the stress. Imagine his wife
probably or who him he is in and out of
consciousness. He has to call them
probably and just the stress of like we
can't do it. Can you fill out these
form? Just that it's almost like they
just want to kill you with the stress.
It's just
>> they just want to spend the least amount
of money possible and make the most
amount of money possible.
>> But when does it United Healthcare
there's something about United
Healthcare that's attached to this
government shutdown bill too. the reason
why they were shutting down the guy
there. There there's something about the
flow of money to United Healthcare,
which is, you know, that company where
that guy got assassinated. Everybody
cheered cuz also cuz Luigi's kind of
hot.
>> Good looking guy.
>> I didn't I didn't see it.
>> You didn't see Luigi?
>> No, I'm joking. Yeah, I thought he
looked pretty. I mean, he's fine. Yeah,
I like Yeah, I like women.
>> Handsome hero.
>> Yeah, but still handsome guy.
>> I'm not saying you don't like women, but
you know, I'm not saying you [ __ ]
alligators, but you know what looks
like.
>> Come on, dog. [laughter]
>> You're right about that. Good call. Hey,
I ain't gay, but I'll hold it in my
mouth till the gay guy gets there.
>> I go, if I told you it's an alligator,
you wouldn't be like, "Bro, I'm not
gay."
>> You would say, "Yes, it is an
alligator."
>> You my
>> Oh, yeah.
>> You know what I'm saying? [laughter]
Like, I'm saying Luigi's handsome and
you're like, "I'm not gay." And I'm
like, "That's not what I asked."
>> Right.
>> I asked you if you can see things.
>> Take those [ __ ] shitty fake glasses
off. Maybe you can tell Luigi's a
handsome man.
>> Helping or not. [laughter]
You know, a lot of people [snorts] think
that Luigi was like some M MK Ultra
thing. They they tricked him and
hypnotized him and got him to go in and
shoot that guy.
>> Well, I think there's a lot of that
going on. And yes, I did have dinner at
Candace someone's house recently, so
maybe, [laughter]
>> you know, I I have there's definitely,
you know, uh
>> a lot of conspiratorial foods on the
menu over there, you know. Uh I don't
know if I'd say that. I mean, they had
like an unvaccinated quail with like an
mRNA demiglaze, so maybe, you know,
kind of they
>> bro they're trying to vaccinate cows. Do
you know about that?
>> They uh
>> they're trying to give cows mrna
vaccines.
>> Are they really?
>> Yeah.
>> They're just trying to use the
technology to make money. If you really
think they're doing it to protect the
cows, you're out of your [ __ ] mind.
Any of this stuff is just about money.
Cows are fine. There's nothing wrong
with the cows. The cows are doing that
then.
>> Let the cows eat grass. They'll be even
better. That's what they're supposed to
be eating. Let them all eat grass.
They'll be fine. But occasionally some
cows will get sick. Bruceosis is real.
It's when bisons and cows intermingle.
You know, bisons give cows brucyosis and
it kills a bunch of them. But other than
that, [ __ ] relax.
>> Yeah, relax.
>> Well, it just never ends. There's It
feels like there's everything. There's
there's just always a problem with
everything. I don't know. Maybe
>> the worry that people have is that
somehow or another that stuff's going to
get into your food.
>> Well, they're right. Probably.
>> Yeah. Yeah, they're right because
they've already talked about somehow or
another getting mRNA vaccines into
vegetables so that you wouldn't even
have to get vaccinated. You can get it
from your diet. Like
[sighs]
they tried to give me a tetanis shot the
other day.
>> It doesn't even work.
>> What tetanis shot?
>> No, the [ __ ] mRNA vaccines. You're
putting it in food and it doesn't even
work.
>> Dude, I'm not taking it.
>> It doesn't work when you take it. People
aren't even taking it anymore and now
you're trying to put it in food.
>> What are they putting it in? You said
radish or what was it?
>> Cucumber.
>> Radishes. I don't know. They were trying
to put it in vegetables. It's like I
mean I think it's theoretical at this
point, but I know Bill Gates was talking
about it. [snorts]
>> I just feel it's like when does it end?
Like when is it like
>> it ends when they stop making money? As
long as they can figure out a way to
trick you into thinking that you need
something
>> or or you know you're not going to make
any money. Did you know that tetanus you
were talking about tetanus? Did you know
tetanus is a bacteria and it's extremely
rare in America? Like very very very
very very few people ever get tetanas.
You think tetanus comes from a dirty
nail like a step on a nail. No. Tetanus
is a bacteria.
>> Yeah.
>> And it and it can be cleaned out. And
also tetanus is the one of the rare
vaccines that works as a prophylactic
like after the fact like you could get
step on a nail. You don't have tetanus
yet. They give you the tetanus vaccine
after you stepped on the nail and it
still [clears throat] protects you. No,
it protects you,
>> right? So you don't need to take it.
Tetanus is super rare in America. It's
not You could completely fix it by
cleaning out the wound and if you get
tetanus, they just inject you with the
tetanus vaccine then. Like there's no
need to give tetanus shots to baby.
>> Yeah. They were saying maybe you should
get it and I was like I don't even know
if I've had it, you know, but I don't
want it. I don't want anything else.
>> You probably had it when you were young.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I think I had that but
they're like you should get it every 10
years. I'm like I don't know. I don't
care. I'll be fine. I'm okay.
>> It's real common in other countries.
Like apparently it's they say the
>> tetanus is
>> Yeah.
>> It's a bacteria. I didn't know it was a
bacteria. I thought it was something you
got from rusty nails,
>> you know?
>> Oh,
>> but it makes sense if it's a v vaccine
that it's protecting you from something
that's kind of alive. A vir like a virus
is kind of alive, right? Like they don't
consider it a life form, but I mean it
seems like it spreads. It gets in a
bunch of different people. It needs the
person as a host. It seems like it's a
kind of life.
>> A vi I mean
>> it's trying to consume you. It's trying
to destroy your body and you're fighting
it off.
>> Yeah.
>> And it it hops from you to your kids to
your neighbor to, you know, it's kind of
alive and it kind of needs a person. If
it's propagating, right? If it's
spreading like what is it?
>> A virus.
>> Yeah. I mean, you're you're I don't
think they consider viruses a life form,
but it sounds a lot like a different
kind of life form. Like a parasitic life
form.
>> That's what it sounds like,
>> doesn't it?
>> I mean, I don't think they're saying
that it's not. They're saying that it's
bad, right? A virus.
>> No, I don't think I don't think they
consider it a life form. Like, do they
consider viruses a life form? Put that
in Perplexity. We have a sponsor. We
have an AI sponsor.
>> I use Perplexity.
>> Yeah, it's really good.
>> So, let's find out if they consider Put
that [ __ ] in there. Let's find out if
they consider virus as a life form
because I don't think they do. I think
it's considered something different.
>> Dude, I'm so uh
I'm so
>> Here we go. Is a virus considered a life
form? Virus is generally not considered
life forms by most biologists primarily
because they cannot carry out the basic
processes of life independently such as
metabolism, growth, or self-sustained
reproduction without a host cell.
However, this status is debated in
scientific circles due to virus's
ability to carry genetic material,
reproduce inside host cells, and evolve
through natural selection.
>> Yeah, I'm I'm with those folks. It's a
life form.
>> It's a weird life form. And here's the
crazy thing.
>> If you think about it that way, then you
got to think about gain of function
research.
>> Gain of function research is like taking
a grizzly bear and go, that grizzly bear
should be on roids. and you take a
grizzly bear and you jack them up on
trend and you you give them testosterone
and cocaine and then let them loose in
the woods. That's what gain of function
research is. And our government was
funding that. They were funding making
more evil life forms. And that's where
CO 19 came from. It came from our tax
dollars that goes off to this lab where
they're working on making a a life form
more vicious to people.
>> What do they want? It's a [ __ ]
weapon. That's what I think.
>> But didn't they just use it against us?
>> They Well, I think it got out. I don't
think they tried to use it against us.
That's what I think. But I think that
they 100% are developing these things to
dump them on other countries. That's a
fact. They've always done that.
>> But why at this point?
>> They've done tons of research that that
show that the United States has been
involved in stuff like that forever.
There was actually bioweapons labs that
were in Ukraine when the when the war
broke out that the United States was
somehow involved with that were Put that
in there. But
>> put that in there. What bioweapons labs
was the United States involved with in
Ukraine? Or how about this instead of
being leading? Were boweapons labs
discovered in Ukraine?
>> Baby girl,
>> let's put that in first and see what it
says. And then I'm going to ask it. Were
they funded by the United States? Can I
see it?
No bioweapons labs have been discovered
in Ukraine according to the United
Nations, the US, Ukraine, and multiple
independent experts. The allegations
made by Russia and echoed by some
Chinese officials involve claims that US
funded laboratories involved in military
biological activity were operating in
Ukraine. But these claims have been
consistently have consistently been
denied and refuted by international
authorities. That doesn't mean anything.
Independent investigations and
statements by the UN uh disarmament
chief confirm there is no evidence of a
biological weapons program in in
Ukraine. Yeah.
>> Okay.
>> Um are there any stories online about
boweapons labs discovered in Ukraine?
>> Would be this
>> the allegations made by Yeah. But we
don't know that that's true. So here's
the thing. If the United States is
running bio or funding bioweapons labs
in Ukraine and it doesn't become a
national news item, are you think
they're going to come up and say,
"You're right. We did it." No, they're
not. But if you're going to if you're
going to fund bioweapons research in
China and in a lot of other places,
>> what are there stories about the
discovery?
Let's see what it says here.
Uh, stories about the alleged discovery
of bioweapons labs in Ukraine have
circulated widely, primarily promoted by
Russian officials and state media.
>> But these claims have not been
substantiated by independent sources or
international organizations. Nor could
they be like, what are you going to do?
You going to get in there and [ __ ]
rat everybody out in the middle of a
war? They're going to kill you. Like,
>> yeah, they wouldn't let that out. Um,
Chinese foreign ministry and various
conspiracy theorists have also amplified
these stories, including claims of 26
bolabs and illegal research discovered
by Russian forces.
>> I don't I would hate to work at one of
those places,
>> right?
>> Yeah. Okay, here's a problem here. Right
here. International news organizations
and independent scientists, including
the BBC and experts at King's College
London, have reviewed the alleged
evidence and found it lacking, noting
that the pathogens and documents cited
by Russia, are consistent with public
health research, not weapons
development. Okay. Public health
research is one of the ways that they do
weapons development. They do it under
the guise of public health research.
That's that's the whole original premise
of gain of function research. We're
doing this so that we could figure out
how to heal people and and if these
diseases do come our way, we know more
about them because we've been
researching them. Like, okay, so the
problem with the BBC saying it, well, we
just found out the BBC is full of [ __ ]
>> That that whole thing with Trump where
they took a speech and they edited it
and put a part that's more than 50
minutes later in the in the sentence to
end the sentence. Like, they completely
changed what he had to say. The the head
of BBC had to resign. This is a giant
scandal. So, I don't trust that.
But I don't know who's telling the truth
or who's not because if I was Russia and
I had invaded Ukraine. I would also say
we found boweapons labs and maybe there
weren't any. You know, maybe it is a
lie. Well, it's the same with like the
weapons of mass. It's all it's like it's
just so hard to know what's real, you
know, at our level of just like being a
consumer.
>> See if you can find online a story so we
could pick apart the story that says
bioweapons labs found in Ukraine.
>> It's tough to know who to tr. It's just
tough to know where to trust things. So
I think you just have to
>> true but but there there's a fact that
we have had bioweapons research and so
has Russia. There's a this is a story
that I did when I did that show Joe
Rogan questions everything. I I
interviewed a guy who used to be a part
of Russia's bioweapons research program
and he explained to me how are they
creating anthrax and they had all these
boweapons available and I said do you
think that there's a possibility that
they were making various infectious
diseases he said absolutely that was
that was research that was being done
and then we went down to Galveastston
Texas and we went to one of those bio
research labs that they have in America
one of those giant crazy labs where
everybody wears the hazmat suits and
there's tubes that come off their suit
and they're working with like Ebola and
all this like super
>> and his perspective was what he was
worried about was not something made in
a lab. What he was worried about is some
sort of a natural jump that um goes from
animals to people and just wipes us out.
That's this was this one doctor told me.
>> I don't know. Oh, I feel
>> the problem was I would say that too if
I was in the middle of gain of function
research. I'd say this stuff is nothing.
Don't worry about this. What I'd really
worry about is chickenpox from chickens.
>> Yeah.
>> Is that the big thing now?
>> I don't know.
>> Well, dude, in our I I I I just don't
even know. It's like I don't know if
they'd want to wipe us all out, though,
because then there's nobody for these
like dark lords to play with. I feel
like
>> I don't think they want to wipe us all
out, but I think they want to keep us as
controlled as possible, as scared as
possible. You see what they did in
Canada? They just shot 300 ostriches for
no reason.
>> [ __ ] that. And Canadians, dude, who also
have very good posture. Ostrich is
probably great posture for a bird, would
you say?
>> Well, they have that crazy neck, right?
They have to have that posture,
otherwise it'll fall down, right?
>> Yeah. But still,
>> imagine if your neck was like 3 feet
long. That would be crazy.
>> Best posture I've ever seen in the
world.
Toronto. Oh yeah. If you had a [ __ ]
three-foot neck, dude.
>> How crazy. Like everywhere you go, your
neck's like a tail,
>> bro. Have you seen you around?
>> Have you seen those giraffes with a
little neck?
>> What? pulling [ __ ] up. Cut.
>> Oh, I have seen that. It's like a cousin
of a giraffe. It looks like an antelope.
>> It's like a giraffe.
>> Yeah. What are those called?
>> Like Mexican giraffes or whatever.
>> No, no, no, no. They live in Africa.
>> Or
>> Whoa. That's crazy. [snorts]
>> Want to Oh, look at that,
>> bro. That's weird. Wait a minute. Is
that Is that
>> That's AI dog. That's what it looks
like.
>> The short neck giraffe native.
>> This looks more fake.
>> Really?
>> Yeah, that looks way fake. They're
wearing freaking bowler hats from what
they look like. No, I think that's
genuinely genuinely what they look like.
>> That's the one right there.
>> That's it.
>> That's that thug. That's kind of how I'm
built.
>> That is a weird giraffe, man.
>> They're from Wakanda. I don't know if
that's real.
>> Interesting. Oh, from Wakanda. So,
they're real. That's real.
>> That's definitely real.
>> Everything, [laughter] bro. That's the
thing. You can't
>> You can't tell.
>> There's no information anymore. It's all
just a blender of [ __ ] who knows.
Anything you put into TikTok, the next
story, it's merged your last three
searches into a new into a new Sora is
making new things and it looks so real.
It just like I don't even know what if
information even mean. It's just it's
everything feels so bizarre, you know.
>> Don't you feel like that?
>> Uhhuh. And it's getting weirder.
>> It's getting weirder and harder to tell
what's true
>> by the month. It's getting weirder fast.
>> Yeah. It's getting it's getting very
strange.
>> So, you got to lock in. I'm trying to
think of the things that just even still
feel real to me sometimes. You know,
>> I think uh this is a real important time
to minimize the amount of time you're
online.
>> Yeah. This is uh as things get
squirrelier and squirrelier, check in
every now and then, but don't allow
yourself to be looking at that goddamn
thing all day. Yeah. Because that's part
of what's wrong with us is we're staring
at these goddamn things all day and
they're just hypnotizing us with
[ __ ] and just at the end of the day,
you're confused, aimless, you go to
sleep, you feel depressed. You wake up
in the morning, you get up in the middle
of the night to piss, you're like, "What
is life?"
>> Yeah.
>> You go back to bed, you're like, "What
am I doing?"
>> Yeah.
>> Those things do that. You take away
those things and life is pretty normal.
>> Yeah,
>> they are amplifiers of anxiety.
>> Oh, that's for sure.
>> For sure. Well, it's even like um they
had uh that like a lot of these shooters
like people that have like you know
these young guys who become what's it
called when you see stuff online and it
makes you more radicalized
>> radicalized. Right.
>> How are some of these companies not
legally liable? Like if you go to a
restaurant, right?
>> Right.
um and somebody poisons you, you could
you could take something up with that
restaurant. You poison a bunch of people
may sue the restaurant or have some
recourse against that restaurant, the
food establishment. But that but these
these entities like these social media
plays like if they radicalize someone
and they go shoot somebody or something,
there's no like accountability for the
company. It doesn't you know what I'm
Well, the company is not radicalizing
people and I think there's a it's a real
danger what you're saying because you
know what the what you're saying is
you're opening the door to censorship.
You're opening the door to the
government saying we're here to protect
you so you can't talk about certain
things because these things can
radicalize you because anybody's
definition of what radicalizes people is
>> it's very variable right like during co
I could have been considered someone who
radicalizes people against taking a
COVID vaccine. that I could have been
seen as a science denier and a dangerous
person that has to be silenced. You have
to remove them from public discourse. So
what you're saying by like people
getting radicalized, who that's the
problem like who's getting radicalized
and who's doing it and what is the real
reason why you're getting radicalized
because you you don't know who the [ __ ]
you are.
>> So you could be getting radicalized for
the better or for the worse, too. For
sure.
>> So you're just really getting educated
really. There's people that get
radicalized towards, you know, radical
ideas of fitness and will and and
discipline because, you know, pay
attention to Jaco every morning. There's
you can get what is radicalized? You
could be a radical you could be into
radical kindness.
>> You know, you you get radicalized to
just be kind to people.
>> Yeah.
>> It's all dependent upon what what are
you talking about and who's doing it. So
why would the social media platform be
in trouble for doing nothing other than
giving people a voice? But the algorithm
is there an algorithm that at a certain
point
>> that's where it gets weird algorithm
>> that's more what I mean then is the
algorithm isn't there some liability to
an algorithm like a certain
>> but here's the problem the algorithm
amplifies what you like so you have to
decide what you're looking at
>> right
>> like you have to have some personal
responsibility because
>> most of my algorithm particularly like
on YouTube is all just stuff I like it's
all fun stuff it's all interesting it's
all ancient history stuff you know cool
cars that people are building that's it
that's most of it fights pool matches
professional pool matches, a lot of Muay
Thai. It's all stuff I'm into. It's
nothing is so like why is your algorithm
[ __ ] up? Because that's the stuff
you're clicking on all the time. And a
lot of things I don't know if you could
do it on Instagram. Can you do it like I
don't like posts like this where you
right click on things?
>> Yeah, I think you can. But you and I do
it on Google News feed and I like if
it's a young person is there any more is
should there be anything like I agree
there is a love there's it's always
personal responsibility and I think
we're probably in a space where more
than ever personal responsibility
it's going to be start to thin the herd
because it's like who can you know have
like control over their own wherewithal
you know and what they absorb. Well, we
have to learn from other people's
mistakes, right? And we kind of are
better at that than like, okay, we're
better at that as a society than say
when societies with alcohol for
instance, than a society where alcohol
gets introduced into that society where
they don't have a history of alcohol.
Generally speaking, that destroys
civilizations.
>> You mean if a place does like when they
gave alcohol like to Native Americans,
it's a perfect example. Native Americans
had no history of alcohol use. United
States troops came through did two
things. One, killed 90% of them with
disease. So 90% of the Native Americans
died from disease because they were
exposed to smallpox and all sorts of
horrible [ __ ] that the Europeans carried
over with them. So 90% of them died from
that. And then they got pushed into
reservations. They got like they got
slaughtered by people with guns and all
they lost all their land. And then also
they get introduced to alcohol. So both
everything gets super depressing and you
get introduced to alcohol and that is
devastating to a society. And to this
day reservations have very high rates of
alcohol and drug abuse. Very high rates
on Native American reservations.
>> Oh yeah.
>> But if you they're really drinking over
there.
>> But if you look at us like regular pe
like we're talking about alcohol today,
right? We're talking about I don't I
barely drink anymore. I'll have a drink
every now and then and I had one
recently. But that's it. Like you can
you can I know how to do that. I come
from a culture of people who drink. It's
common. You know, people drink wine with
dinner. It's calm. It's normal. You
figure out how to regulate it for the
most part. But there's people who won't,
right? Yeah.
>> But it's not as bad as when there's
there no one knows what to do because
you've never had it before and then once
you get it, you're you're [ __ ] That's
the problem also with censorship. That's
the problem with like social media. Like
you're we're the first people to get it.
So we're like basically the Native
Americans of social media. Like we're
getting it for the first time and it's
wrecking our society.
>> Yeah.
>> Not to the same level that it did to
Native Americans because it also carries
a lot of positives.
>> It does let you distribute information.
You learn about things. There's a lot of
positives that come with social media,
but also we're the first people that
don't know how to handle it. Yeah. the
grandchildren and great-grandchildren of
us, they will have a much better
understanding of what not to do and what
to do. Oh, I have an uncle who is uh an
addict.
>> Yeah,
>> he's a Twitter addict. He's a real
problem. All he does is yell about
politics. He's on his phone 16 hours a
day. He doesn't pay attention to his
life. He's losing his job because he's a
Twitter addict.
>> There's people like that just like
there's people that are drug addicts.
But these are the first ones.
>> Got it. I hadn't thought about it like
that.
>> Yeah. We got to learn how to regulate
and I think people are going to learn
like a lot of kids are using apps now
that limit the amount of time that
they're on their social media for like
one hour a day you know and
>> are they you think a lot of these kids
are doing that kids that are that want a
better life.
>> Yes. at kids that recognize that you
could waste time. And when you waste
time over long, you know, like junior
high school into high school, you really
start realizing it and you see the
difference between people who don't
waste time and really get after it and
get things done. And then you see the
people that are falling by the wayside.
And that's a pattern that establishes
>> when you're a teenager pretty much for
the whole rest of your life. You know, I
knew people that were kind of nerd do
dwells in high school that really never
got into anything and they never they
never tried hard at anything and they
stayed like that.
>> Yeah. I think it's hard to make a really
it's hard to make a change in your life,
you know.
>> Very hard.
>> Um
>> very very hard to make a change in how
you see life.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, and then you're not going to
change your life unless you change the
way you see life.
>> Yeah. Do you [snorts] um let me think
about something else. [laughter] Sorry.
My brain sometimes gets hard to like
keep going.
>> Um, how are the fights, man? Did you
have fun?
>> Yeah. Yeah, it's always fun. Mass Square
Garden's crazy. It's It's There's a few
buildings in this world that have like a
a tangible feel when you're when you're
in them. Like, woo, this is the garden,
bro. I've been there a ton of times. I
performed there. It doesn't matter.
Every time I go there, when I walk into
that building, I'm like, woo, we're at
the [ __ ] garden.
>> Yeah.
>> Got to be on your P's and Q's, son. We
got to be ready to go. in the garden. I
think fighters feel it too. I think they
get extra amped to fight in the garden.
>> Yeah. Dustin said that he went to watch
the fights. Was there a lot of um Was
there?
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> I didn't get to watch.
>> Yeah. Anic DC and me.
>> Let's go.
>> And Megan. Megan was there too. Megan
Levy. Oh, she's the best
person.
>> Her and her husband. They're both salt
of the earth.
>> The best.
>> The best.
>> Their whole I mean I will say this. They
have one of the best staffs of any
sporting group I've ever been around in
my life.
>> For sure. Yeah. The UFC staff is very
much like a family.
>> Amber, Nicole, that
>> we all know each other so well. We've
hung out together so long. Like
everybody's all hugging everybody
backstage. It's a beautiful place to
work.
>> And Bruce is doing his stretches.
There's so many little things going on
and you just get to see them all happen.
It's always the same people, you know.
And um
>> yeah, we travel around the world
together. Well, I don't anymore, but I
used to travel with those guys around
the world. And they, you know, they'll
they'll go from here and now they're
going to Cotter the
>> I was gonna go.
>> Were you really?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah, man. That's a long ass flight,
son.
>> I know. I went over there.
>> They're gonna make you put on the
outfit.
>> I put on the outfit already once.
>> Did you like it?
>> Yeah.
>> You thinking maybe I could live here if
I get in trouble? [laughter]
>> I thought they were I thought they were
going to take my life and not let me
come back. Not them. But you just never
know in the Middle East what's going on,
you know.
>> Yeah. What does that uh outfit mean? It
>> It's called a throbe. I think you can
see a picture of me in it. Yeah, I've
seen it. They use it to to attack you
for stuff online.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> You're in the pocket type [ __ ] Boy,
look at that [ __ ]
>> bro. It looks good.
>> I like how theirs has a collar.
>> It's a little more modern.
>> I think you have to put the head thing
on like if you're like listening to
music or whatever.
>> Be a real problem if you're grappling
with that thing, though. Limit your uh
hip movement. People could control you a
little bit better.
>> Well, hopefully the person you're
grappling with is also wearing it.
>> That's true. But, you know, you're
slowing down the game.
>> Yeah, you're right. [laughter]
a hell of a ghee.
>> You're wearing a bathrobe. You're not
even wearing a ghee. You're wearing an
ankle length bathrobe.
>> Yeah, I was going to go get in the way.
>> I was going to go. I was kind of But
yeah.
>> Did you like going over there? What was
your experience?
>> Yeah, man. I liked it. I mean, obviously
they treat you a little bit different
cuz you know
>> you're not gay.
>> Yeah,
>> that
>> Thank you for saying that. And uh Okay,
[laughter] just so we got that out
there. And I am looking for love. I did
meet somebody that thought was kind of
cool, but who knows, you know? Um, how
do Jewish people feel like going over
there?
>> I I'm sure that they're probably I mean
I I feel like they're all kind of in
cahoots over there. You don't really
know what's going on. [laughter]
>> Qatar is a Muslim country,
>> right? But that's what I'm saying. Like
if I was a Jew and I was traveling
around the world right now, I'd be like,
>> "Do I stop in here?"
>> Yeah. Maybe I want to fly into Sweden
instead, [laughter] you know?
>> I guess. I don't know. Didar Did they
Did any of those countries help with
Palestine? I don't know. It was hard to
know what was going on.
>> Well, I think there was talk of Do you
sayQatar or Qatar?
>> You're right. Qatar. Katar.
>> Yeah. Qatar.
>> Yeah. Um there was talk in the beginning
of them helping to rebuild
um you know, but this was like when
Trump said the wildest [ __ ] of all time
that we're going to take over and we're
going to we're going to turn it into the
what did he say? The Mediterranean of
the Middle East. [laughter]
Like what the [ __ ] are you saying? That
was one of those things that maybe made
people go, "Wait, is he really crazy?
How are we going to take over? How you
going to take it?" It's like when he was
talking about Greenland, like maybe
we're going to take Greenland. Like,
hey,
>> what
>> why do they want Greenland?
>> Let's ask perplexity. Why is the
[laughter]
>> Good question.
>> Ask perplexity. Why is the United States
interested in acquiring Greenland?
>> You'd think there's something up there.
>> You know what I would think? What?
>> Let's imagine a world where the climate
does radically shift,
>> right? And uh by the way, I think human
beings play a part of it. I've had a lot
of these conversations with people and I
saw a video that was criticizing
something today saying how, you know,
talking about how much money there is in
climate change and pushing the climate
change narrative. And then that didn't
compare to the amount of money that's in
the fossil fuel promoting fossil fuels.
That is 100% true, but it doesn't
discount the fact that there's a [ __ ]
ton of money to be made from green
energy. That's why they're promoting it.
You really can't stop fossil fuel.
That's the inside wink. Everything is
made with oil. Everything. Your
pharmaceuticals, all of your
electronics, plastics, tires, everything
is made with You ain't stopping oil.
However, this idea of reducing carbon
footprint, there 100% is money in that
and there's money in the whole green
energy narrative. There's money. This is
why Bill Gates recently abandoned saying
he totally backtracked on what he was
saying.
>> Oh, climate climate change.
>> Yeah, he totally backtracked on it
because people were starting to
investigate and looking at why are you
saying this and are you making money off
of this? Do you are you do you have like
certain stocks that would rise and where
you'd make an extraordinary amount of
money if you promoted these certain
narratives publicly? Yeah. Yeah. That's
part of what's going on.
>> However, there was giant solar activity
this week. And this is what I'm talking
about
>> in Greenland.
>> Yes. No, in America. Giant solar
activity where people were seeing the
northern lights in Texas. Yes. In
[ __ ] Texas. Okay. And a friend of
mine who is well Brett Weinstein I'm
pretty sure I could say it was him. it's
not a secret. Um was telling me like
this is like a significant uh like
amount of solar activity kind of
unprecedented and very dangerous and if
it gets bigger than a certain wave which
they can't really predict like these
solar flares they just they don't have a
clock on the sun like oh on November
17th it'll be 82 degrees. No, it does
whatever the [ __ ] it wants. And
sometimes it does mass ejections, man.
And these huge bursts
and these huge bursts can wipe out
satellites, wipe out telecommunication,
wipe it out, and change the [ __ ]
temperature of the Earth.
>> [ __ ] dude. What the [ __ ]
>> Um, go back to that [ __ ] going on.
>> Go back to that Greenland thing, please,
cuz we didn't get a chance to
[clears throat] read it,
>> dude. Uh, United States is interested in
acquiring Greenland for a combination of
strategic, economic, and security
reasons. Greenland's geographic location
makes it a critical asset for US
defense, especially for monitoring
activities in the Arctic and North
Atlantic, as well as for tracking
potential Russian military movements and
securing early warning capabilities for
missile threats. That makes sense. You
know what also makes sense? If uh it
gets green because the Earth temperature
changes
>> because you're investing ahead of time.
>> Greenland maybe used to be green. You
know what I'm saying?
>> Yeah. I mean, I would bet at some point
it did. I think they discovered
Greenland like officially.
>> Yeah.
>> In like I want to say the 1800s they
they they listed Greenland as a
continent. But there's maps of Greenland
like detailed maps of Greenland from
like the 1500s.
>> Do you think that they can Do you think
that it's controllable or they could
start to thought out whoever owns it
all?
>> It's uncontrollable. No. So that's not
this is the scariest thing about the
temperature of Earth that we need to
come to grips with. It it is not static.
It changes and it changes all the time
and sometimes it changes in horrific
ways where it turns into a [ __ ] ice
age. And if that happens, we all have to
move to the equator. And that's what
happens. That's what happens in in human
history. That's why you see these like
super advanced civilizations that came
out of South America. Like well, they
were probably the only people that were
able to live like normally during the
ice age. During the ice age, like if
you're in North America, you're you're a
[ __ ] caveman. You're covered in
animal furs, you know, you're trudging
through the snow.
>> You're hiding.
>> You're hiding. Things are hunting you.
If you're living in the Amazon jungle
during that same time, man, you're
probably in like like think of like the
with the Aztecs, you know, the
>> How tall were they the Aztecs overall?
>> Here's the thing. But here's
[clears throat] the thing about the
Aztec Aztec ruins is what I was going to
get to. They found them that way. The
Aztecs that lived there, they didn't
build them. They found them that way.
They uncovered them in the jungle,
>> the ruins.
>> They're a part of a civilization that's
even older than them.
>> They found that plate. They didn't build
it.
>> They found they built some things, but
they found those things there. So the
their great great ancestors were
probably the ones who built it
initially. And if you think about the
ice age, if there's any advanced
civilizations, it's going to be in the
places that aren't frozen,
>> you know? And all of North America,
dude, half of North America was under at
least a mile of ice. Hold on, let me
think about it. Half of North America
was under at least one mile of ice.
>> Yeah. You know how it's flat in like a
lot of Wisconsin? Wisconsin has areas
called the drifless areas. And that's
the areas where the the where the these
giant glaciers didn't just plow over the
earth. So they have hills and mountains
and [ __ ] Everything else is just flat.
That flat [ __ ] that's from two miles of
[ __ ] ice just erasing anything
that was there before it.
>> Like a bulldozer.
>> So if there was a civilization that
lived on Earth up there 20,000 years
ago, [ __ ] you ain't finding nothing.
>> You ain't getting [ __ ]
>> You ain't finding nothing.
>> You ain't getting [ __ ]
>> And they were all down in South America.
That's what I think that happened.
That's why they had such advanced
civilizations
>> and so many artifacts and stuff cuz
that's where it was possible. all kinds
of weird [ __ ] that they don't understand
like cities that were in the Amazon
jungle that they're discovering now.
>> But what happens Joe? Say it starts to
like things are, you know, it starts to
devolve even more. What happens? Where
do we meet up? I know we've talked about
this before. I think we said Denver or
whatever.
>> I think Denver's lost. I think Denver
bringing wolves back to Denver. These
dumb asses.
>> Well, I wouldn't mind a wolf or two, but
I'm just saying what what do we do, man?
That's what I'm saying. Like, if it gets
weird, we have to have some plan. And
it's already getting weird, right?
>> It's getting real weird. Yeah,
>> it's getting weird. And the the but the
reality what I was getting to is you
can't control the Earth's temperature.
You can't control the Earth's future
because there's a bunch of factors. Even
if you say, okay, let's let's all agree
on something first. Let's agree that
human beings have a detrimental effect
on Earth. We can all agree on that.
Let's say let's agree that human beings
overfish the ocean. Let's all agree on
that. Let's all agree that we pollute
the air. We pollute the oceans. We
pollute the rivers. All that is
terrible. All that should be fixed.
Let's all agree on that. Once we agree
on that, that's not the greatest that
threat to human life. The greatest
threat to human life is asteroid
impacts. Well, nuclear war for sure if
we do that to each other. That's number
one. But after that, it's asteroid
impacts. And asteroid impacts, you can't
do a [ __ ] thing about them. You could
do something.
>> Uh-uh. No. They're not ready yet. They
can't do anything yet.
>> You couldn't do something. You could
hide behind. You could
>> No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No.
>> You could do something.
>> No. You could wear something. You could
wear something.
>> No. Okay, you're being silly.
>> No. You know that three-ey atlas? That
one that just passed through? It's the
size of Manhattan and it's made out of
metal. It's a giant chunk of nickel.
That's the size of Manhattan.
>> It's billions of years old and it's
going how many thousands of miles an
hour was it going?
>> Put that into how fast was three eye
atlas. It doesn't matter where you are.
Everything's dead.
>> The whole planet's dead.
>> Okay. Cuz what happens? You have
roaches, some [ __ ] underground
mammals that survive.
>> But you're saying it hits the planet and
then what happens? That's what I'm
asking.
>> Everybody dies.
>> It go It's It's miles deep into Earth in
the first second. Miles deep.
>> But does it like impact like does the
Earth like shift over 20 ft? Like a
massive explosion?
>> Oh, you're so you're saying there's an
explosion.
>> This not just an explosion, but it
creates nuclear winter. Like the entire
earth is covered in in volcanic ash.
Like you're [ __ ] Everything's dead.
Like most of the earth is dead.
>> Okay.
>> So, uh
>> maybe I'm not understanding it fully.
>> Seems like it. It's going approximately
155,000 mph.
>> You didn't say that.
>> This makes the fastest interstellar
object yet observed with its velocity
accelerating as it approaches the sun
and then gradually slowing as it moves
away. So, it's 250,000
kilometers per hour. Earlier
measurements uh as it entered the solar
system recorded speeds of 130,000 to
140,000 mph.
>> Sunny Bay.
>> So, it's the size of Manhattan. It's
made out of nickel. Okay, let's Google
this. What is the observed mass of uh
this object?
>> How big is it? What is the observed mass
of uh three eye atlas?
Observed mass of three of it. Okay, let
us see what it says.
Observe. Look how quick it did that.
Just Google all those articles. The
observed mass is estimated to be over 33
billion tons.
>> Okay, hold on. Let me let me think about
how much that is real quick.
>> It's a lot. 33 billion billion tons.
>> How much is one ton? 2,000 lb.
>> Okay.
>> What else is 33 billion tons?
>> That's a great question, dude.
>> Very good question, Jamie.
>> Look how researches. [snorts] Estimated
mass of three Atlas, 33 billion tons,
roughly equivalent to the mass of
Manhattan Island, which is about 3.1
miles across, similar in size to the
comet's estimated nucleus diameter. This
means the comet's mass is roughly
comparable to a large city in solid
matter terms.
>> Amen.
>> 33 billion tons.
>> Well, I'm going
>> three to five orders of magnitude
heavier than previous inter interstellar
objects like uamuamu.
>> 500 what?
>> Far smaller than the heaviest known
comets in our solar system. Look at this
one. um one C204
whatever whatever uh which weighs around
500 trillion tons with a diameter of
about 128 km 80 miles.
>> I didn't think that it was Yeah. I think
I had a different concept of it.
>> Yeah. So
>> I had something small. I had something
like that. Something that
>> Oh no, those hit all the time. Things
like [clears throat] that hit all the
time. And
>> to find them is Antarctica because
Antarctica is all white. So they go out
there and they see things on the ground
that are meteors. Is it true they won't
let us up there? Is that true? That's a
myth.
>> No, there's places where you you're not
supposed to fly, but there's a bunch of
reasons for that. One of them, I'm sure
they're probably doing military research
up there, but also um so they have
restricted airspace, but also it's
really dangerous and if you crash, they
want to have to rescue you. Like there's
nothing up there. Like you will die, you
know, most likely. And they don't they
don't want to have to try to die going
to get you. It's sketchy as [ __ ] going
up there.
>> [ __ ] yeah, it is, dude. I couldn't even
imagine it. I mean, I'm trying to think.
We used to go skiing or whatever. Like
in Iowa somewhere or in I think it was
in Iowa in the winter they have like a
place called Sundown, I think it was.
It's [ __ ] freezing. Like we went to
Whistler, Canada one time to go skiing.
Freezing cold. I can't even imagine
being at the Antarctica. How cold does
it get?
>> Oh, it's cold as [ __ ] It's not just
cold. There's no one there. Like they do
these um
>> You can't even tell anybody it's cold
cuz there's nobody even there. You just
>> I wonder what they're studying up there.
They have scientific communities up
there. They have like groups of
scientists that live up there year round
or at least that's got to be weird.
>> Oh, it's got to be hell.
>> And do they get to bring their wives and
children up there?
>> Did you ever see that John Carpenter
movie? The thing,
>> bro, you never saw that movie, Kirk
Douglas. I mean, uh, not Kirk Douglas.
>> Michael Douglas.
>> Um, god damn it. Kurt Russell. Kurt
Russell.
>> Awesome. Great.
>> It was, dude, movie is incredible.
>> I've seen that fun horror movie from
like I guess it was probably like the
80s.
>> The Thing. Yeah,
>> that thing remember
>> there's a comic in that movie.
>> TK Carter, a dude who used to perform at
the store. Yeah, he was at the store and
then he started getting he started
getting big movies and he was in The
Thing.
>> That's wild.
>> John Carver. I remember that dude. I
used to hang out with him.
>> That's cool.
>> Yeah. And The Thing was uh like at the
time like one of the craziest special
effects ever. It looks
>> kind of corny now.
>> Yeah,
>> cuz it's goofy looking, but
>> but maybe they'll remake it or
something. Sometimes they do that. But
it was about them finding like some
spaceship in Antarctica. I believe it
was. I think it was Antarctica.
>> I think right up.
>> Was that where it took place?
>> Yeah.
>> People want us I think people want us to
find something. I think people are
looking for stuff right now. People are
trying to look for something to give
things a little bit more meaning to
them. You know,
>> that's also part of the confusion is
everybody's telling you constantly that
aliens are real. You're hearing it
constantly and no one's even flinching.
>> Well, if they are real, they don't give
a [ __ ] about us. That's what I'm telling
you.
>> Why do you think that? You've been
listening to Neil Degrasse Tyson?
>> No. Not a chance. A [laughter]
and B. Uh,
dude. But B, dude, they're not coming
here and visiting, dude. I
>> They are.
>> I think they are.
>> Here's what I think about it.
>> I believe that Earth will used to be
this fun place. Aliens would come and
visit. It's almost like it's this cool
tourist park or whatever. And aliens
would bring their kids here when they
had like holidays or whatever, right?
And now it's like that old place you
don't take your kids to anymore. or it's
like an old theme park that's kind of
gone by the wayside. And now I think
aliens are taking their kids. They're
traveling other places on their
vacations. You know what I'm talking
about?
>> Where do you think they're going?
>> Places we don't know cuz we're still
[ __ ] here.
>> Avatar, Pandora.
>> Yeah. They're going to dope ass places.
Like if they pull up here and their kids
are like, "You took us to [ __ ] Earth.
This place sucks dick. My
>> They land in India. They see a river
that's clogged up with water bottles.
Like what the [ __ ] is this shit?"
>> Yeah. People washing their hair in
[ __ ] booty water or whatever. Like
get us out of here. out of here.
>> This isn't even cool. Yeah.
>> No, this place sucks. You know what's
cool in India? The old stuff.
>> So, that's what I do believe though.
>> There's a temple in India that is one of
the most confusing places I've ever seen
where where people describe its mass and
like how it's made. It was carved out of
a mountain. The whole temple was
entirely carved out of a mountain. It
wasn't it wasn't built. They removed the
mountain and created this insane like
very symmetrical, incredibly intricate
temple. It doesn't show any chisel marks
on it. It's like hundreds of millions of
tons of rocks have been removed. That
thing, bro, have you ever seen that?
>> No, I haven't.
>> Dude, I watched a whole YouTube
documentary on it last night. What is it
called again?
>> Khisa Temple.
>> Khisa Temple. Dude, it's [ __ ]
bananas.
So, they think it was made, it says
6,000 years ago.
>> Chiseled out of rock.
>> 8th century is what I was just reading
before I
>> Yeah, I I thought it was like much more
recent. That's tough.
>> It's like they think it's 2,000 years
old, right? Is that what they think it
is?
>> Um, how old do they think? Okay. 756 to
777 current era. So, that's like the
year 773. Um, so it's even less than
2,000 years old.
>> Yeah. So they think I don't know how
they know this but who whatever they
know who whoever [ __ ] made it how
whoever 2000 years ago made this [ __ ]
how. See if you can Jamie see if you can
find a video on it where they can uh
they describe it or they go through it.
>> Dude, it's nuts. The the video I was
watching last night on YouTube. I'm I'm
my jaw was open. I was like this is
crazy.
>> Wow.
>> It's so detailed. And when you think
about the just the sheer effort of
making this and if one person [ __ ] this
up, one person [ __ ] this up, this whole
project's ruined because you're not
building it. You're carving it out of
the mountain. You can't recarve and they
did it perfectly. It's nuts, man. It's
really truly nuts.
>> You got to plan ahead with that.
>> Yeah. You think?
>> Yeah.
>> But how did they do it so well? I mean,
how is it so beautiful? How is it so
symmetrical? How How did they Who
[ __ ] asked for this to be built? How
long did it take? This is nuts, man.
[ __ ] This is This whole thing is It's
so impressive. It's so impressive.
Almost more impressive than some of the
stuff from ancient Egypt.
>> Yeah.
>> Because it's all one piece of stone.
They the the whole thing. Whoever these
people were, man. I I believe
>> I wish they wrote books. I wish they
wrote books on how they did this. And if
they have the books, let them out. Look
at these pillars, man. Look at this
whole thing. It's all carved out of the
mountain. It's bananas.
Like, it's so special.
>> Oh, yeah. That's nice.
>> Because I don't I mean, I'm barely
grasping it. I'm trying to put myself in
a position of someone who's there
physically and looking at this where I
I'm sure I would be blown away. I'm sure
you don't have enough time in a month to
really go over this place and really get
a feel for it
>> because it's it's so insane. Someone was
able to do that that long ago.
>> Well, the pe people used to have to like
I think the amount of time and attention
you would put into things, you didn't
have a lot of other things taking your
attention probably.
>> Also, I think things have happened and
we forgot about those things. And I
think things like asteroid impacts,
things like super volcanoes, these ice
ages, things have happened and destroyed
civilization and we've forgotten a lot
of it and we're relearning it and we're
refiguring it out now. That's what I
think. That's how you find stuff like
that. Like that that that one doesn't
even make sense.
>> Like
and also if you make that who just left
it there? Why' you guys move? [laughter]
Why where'd you go? Where'd you go where
you just left this there? That's nuts.
>> Yeah. I'm trying to think a while.
>> That's the Aztecs, too. That's There's a
bunch of these structures that people
just left or they all got diseases
>> or wiped out. Yeah. I'm sure they
probably got wiped out because even if
everybody leaves and if if there's a
nice place, right, everybody leaves,
somebody would some people would stay
like, "No, we're just going to stay."
>> Probably got wiped out. That's how
they're not there. That's
>> something would happen. And probably
like you're saying by weather or
something big, you know?
>> Maybe weather. Um but I think a lot of
it is people traveling with a new
disease. I think that that killed people
in giant chunks all throughout history.
That that's what they think happened to
the Mayans. That's what also they think
happened to the people that lived in the
Amazon. These like the city of Z, the
lost city of Z. Did you ever see that
movie? Yeah.
>> With George um
>> Percy Richards. Is that what the guy's
name was?
>> Percy Faucet.
>> Percy Percy Faucet. So Percy Faucet was
this uh explorer that went down there.
And so what happened was a group of
people had said they went down to the
Amazon and they found these golden
cities, these spectacular civilizations.
>> God, I would like that.
>> And they went back to Europe and told
everybody. And then a hundred years
later, they returned to try to find
these things. At least 100. It might
have been longer, right?
>> All the [ __ ] was gone. Everything was
gone. Wow. Because those first guys
brought over the cooties.
>> Yeah.
>> They brought over diseases. They brought
over diseases. And they killed
everybody. And they didn't even
>> How were they spreading the diseases
though? You think
>> just being around them, man? Like we
Europeans, I shouldn't say we.
>> And nobody noticed that they had
something wrong with them.
>> They were used to it, man. They were
used to being sick. They were used to
those diseases that you know they had
developed immunity over generations.
>> But if you show up at my house with a
disease, right, at a certain like I'm
going to maybe see that something could
be wrong with you, you think, or you
think it's just hidden in your path?
>> They probably had no fear of it. They
probably had no fear of it because they
had never encountered it before. But you
know, they do believe it's possible that
the Native Americans gave the Europeans
syphilis.
>> Type shift.
>> Yeah, type shift.
>> Yeah,
>> that's it. That's what they say.
[laughter] So I said type shift. That's
what kids say sometimes.
>> Yeah. When my daughter doesn't want to
swear, she says type shift.
>> She does. Oh, I like that. That's cool.
How are your daughters doing? Good.
>> Great, man.
>> They're awesome.
>> My youngest one loves you.
>> A I miss I miss getting that. Did they
go to the fight, too?
>> No, they're going to they're going to go
to a future one, though. I'll let you
know. They do.
>> They like hanging out with you. They
said it's so fun. They're fun, dude.
They're so funny. It's just been funny
to because I just see them incrementally
over the years to get to see them grow
up and just like
>> When did we I was just thinking this.
When did we do our first podcast
together? Do you remember?
>> I don't know.
>> Was it like 10 years ago?
>> No way.
>> Eight.
>> I would have been Let's see. I'll look
it up.
>> It's been a while.
>> Yeah, man. I can't believe that we've
been
>> And you back then, um,
>> it's all been going on this long.
>> Yeah. I would have never imagined that
you would go down this road and be
really good at it, man. Like you're real
sincere with people. You ask real good
questions, you know? You're you're very
present, you know, like you're really
you're funny, but you're also trying to
really understand what they're saying.
That's a delicate balance, you know, of
be silly and be funny, but also like pay
respect to whatever they're trying to
say and try to figure out where they're
coming from, you know?
>> Yeah. Well, thanks, [snorts] dude. Yeah,
I try to be. I think there's been a
couple times where it's like uh Yeah, I
try to be I don't really know what I'm,
you know, like I don't not know what I'm
doing. I mean, I work hard, right? Like
I work hard.
>> You figure it out as you go along,
right?
>> Yeah. And I'm still kind of figuring it
out, you know? I don't know sometimes
like
what like my purpose is in it or um
>> You don't have to have a purpose.
>> You don't think?
>> Maybe that's a trap, huh?
>> Yeah, it's a trap. I think you should
have a direction.
>> I do notice I meet a lot of people and I
care about what's going on in their
lives.
>> Yeah, that's a direction. That's good.
Yeah, that's bad. That makes me feel
import that makes me feel not important
to me but of some value, right? Like
even last week when we had Gary Ciss on,
he was talking about his son like his
son passed away of cancer like within
the past year
>> and uh just talking about his son,
right? Like it was just nice, you know,
it was nice for us to sit there together
and just talk about his son, right? Like
stuff like that. Like I think it mean it
just makes me feel like I don't know
that kind of stuff means something to
me. So, do you feel like in your regular
life you're not connected enough to
people that are talking to you like
that? Is that it?
>> Man, that's kind of interesting. I think
I do sometimes have a problem with
connection sometimes, you know?
>> So, you somehow or another can be more
connected publicly than you can be
privately.
>> Dude, is that so weird you say that?
I've thought about that before.
>> Well, I thought about that because of my
friendship with you because like
sometimes you tell me things on air that
you don't tell me things in private. And
sometimes in private,
you know, look, I love you very much.
And
I always try to reach out because the
last thing you want is a friend that
maybe is going through some [ __ ] not
doing well, and maybe you could have
reached out and you didn't. You know,
that feeling, it's a terrible feeling.
>> Yeah. you know that you could have
helped your friend and you didn't help
your friend, you know, but you are you
have a hard time expressing yourself in
person sometimes, you know, like
sometimes I'd be asking like like what's
tell me what's up, tell me what's
bothering you, you know, tell me like
how do you feel, what' you do, how and
there's like a thing where I was almost
like a blockade where you'd rather just
like ignore it. You know what I mean?
>> Yeah. But then when you're talking
publicly, you like to address
everything, which I I find very
interesting. It's like you almost feel
more comfortable exposing various parts
of things that you don't like about life
or your life or what's bothering you
about life publicly. You're better off,
you're better at doing that than you are
privately with your friends.
>> I think there's this thing inside of me
sometimes that I feel like people don't
trust me one-on-one.
>> They don't trust you
>> or there's some trust thing. Maybe it's
not me. I I don't know. I'm trying to
think about
>> you don't trust them maybe.
>> No, I don't know. There's I'm trying to
think of as you're telling as you're as
we're talking about this, I'm trying to
like feel it at the same time and see
what I'm feeling about it, you know?
Right.
>> Because it's interesting to me because I
love thinking about this kind of stuff,
you know, like like and trying to figure
out why I operate or why we operate
certain ways, you know?
>> Right.
>> Yeah. I think sometimes um I don't know.
It's hard for me to maybe say what's
going on sometimes. Um sometimes I don't
know what's going on. Um,
you know, sometimes I like just Yeah. If
I talk with somebody and then some of
the biggest conversations I have are on
podcasting now, it's like, you know,
that's when I'll talk the most. And so
I'll sit there and have moments that are
like, um, that's kind of my biggest
conversations. Well, it's kind of the
only time you have real conversations
because every other time you have
conversations, there's usually multiple
people around and everyone's checking
their phone,
>> you know, and everyone's going in and
out of the room and everyone's going to
take a leak like green room
conversations. They're real. It's kind
of almost like a podcast in and of
itself, right?
>> But
>> yeah, it's fun.
>> But there's also people showing each
other funny memes and, you know, we're
all watching videos, [ __ ] up things
that happened.
>> Yeah. Listening to music, joking around.
a little bit more of a bigger
atmosphere,
>> right? But but the point is it's like
you don't have these kind of
conversations outside of podcast. The
only time you or I have these kind of
conversations is right in front of each
other where we agree we're going to just
sit and talk for like three [ __ ]
hours with no interruptions. Yeah.
>> It's kind of weird. But I feel like in
that form you get relaxed and in that
form you you talk about yourself like
honestly you you're introspective and
open about it which I find very
fascinating that you don't do that
privately.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. It is kind of
interesting. I don't know why either. I
think maybe there's something where like
I thought like um
like I have like
I'm
I have to there's something inside of me
that has to be of value or something. I
don't know. I'm trying to figure
>> you don't want to be a burden maybe like
you don't want to annoy people with
talking about your problems. So, here's
the thing. Like, when you start talking
about like having issues in life, I was
shocked cuz I thought about all the
times that I'm with you, like it's
Theo's always life of the party. We're
always having fun. I don't get it. Like,
how how could be possibly be not doing
well? That don't even make sense to me.
I was like, "Everybody loves him. He's
so fun to be around,
>> you know? Like, why would you not feel
good? That don't make sense, you know?"
So, then I had to listen to you talk
like in podcast and I was like, "Oh,
okay. Well, there's some ways that he
talks
publicly that you don't necessarily talk
a lot privately. So, like your friends
sometimes don't even know if things
aren't going so well.
>> Well, I think for some reason whenever I
started podcasting, I started to kind of
have a conversation with myself for like
sometimes the first time in my life
maybe where I was like having like some
dialogue with myself, you know,
>> cuz you did a lot of them solo too,
right?
>> Yeah, probably the first hundred or
something were solo or something pretty
much.
>> Yeah. And so then you're you're forcing
yourself to do a totally new thing,
which is to not just like go on
momentum, but to actually think about
something for like at least an hour
where you're talking and just thinking
about stuff.
>> Yeah. And that was probably the most fun
I ever had in some ways, I think. And
also it was like a it was like a
learning. Um and then now like people
can call in our show and they'll leave
voicemails. So sometimes we'll listen to
those and talk about that kind of stuff.
And that's something I want to get more
into because that's something that I
like really care about, you know. Mhm.
>> Um
>> but yeah, I don't know. I don't know why
some ways are easier for me than others.
I have thought about that before though,
you know.
>> Yeah,
>> I have thought about that. It's the same
reason like even being like in a
relationship. I remember like like when
I was when I was like like would get in
a relationship with a with a with a
woman. It was so hard for me to like
look at them or like to be super close.
>> Like that was super hard. But it was
easy for me to have a microphone and
talk to people in a group,
>> right?
>> You know, like there's some things that
are just like like I just feel like a
lot of like pressure. I feel like when I
was in like that kind of situation like
um I think there was something about it
like if somebody uh
I don't know. I think there was always a
part of me like when I was young like if
I looked
if I looked somebody in the eyes or
something like they weren't going to
they weren't going to believe me
>> really. Does that make any sense at all?
Does that I know it's a weird thing to
say, but
>> No, it does make sense.
>> There was a part of me like,
>> "Yeah."
>> Yeah. And I'm not trying to like
self-pity or like look at like, you
know, do I seem like I'm being
self-pity? No.
>> Okay, good. Cuz I like to examine stuff,
but I'm not like,
>> you know, being like, "Woe is me." I'm
just trying to like look at it, right?
>> Well, you got to think as a kid growing
up, you had a lot of negative
interactions with people, you know?
>> Yeah. Nobody ever looked at me. Nobody
ever looked at me and was like, "What's
going on with this kid?"
people were busy and working.
So, I think later when I got into
relationship and you'd be right there
with a woman and they'd be looking at
you, it made me really nervous and
scared cuz you're like, "Damn, these
[ __ ] are pulling up, [laughter]
you know, and that [ __ ] was like like
baby girl."
>> You you weren't used to intimate
relationships,
>> right? So, intimacy made me super
uncomfortable, right? I was
>> Well, you weren't used to trusting
people.
>> Yeah. And probably not even used to
really trusting myself. I don't think I
knew who I was
>> and probably not used to people being
nice to you. You had to get used to
accustomed to people being nice to you.
>> Well, we grew up in like a scary place
and so I felt like I wasn't sure if
people were going to be or not, you
know, and so I think that made it like
pretty tough when I was young. Um,
>> but yeah, I don't know. Some of it it's
been an interesting it's been an
interesting experience, you know, and
that's life. It's just like
>> life is an interesting experience. It
really truly is, you know, but it all it
can be awesome and it can suck and the
reason why it's awesome is because it
can suck. Like that's you need them all
while we're human. And I think that's we
have a
>> we have only so much sand left in that
hourglass
>> where the humans are on the way out.
>> I know a lot of people hate it when
Peter Teal says it like Peter Teal is a
terrible person. He's evil. He's ter No,
I think he's just telling you the truth.
I think he's, you know, when they said,
"Do you think human beings should
survive?" And he had like this long
pause.
>> Oh, yeah. I remember.
>> And then the interviewer was like, "The
answer is yes." The answer was yes.
[laughter] Human beings, which is not
how you're supposed to do an interview.
Well, at least not how I do it. I would
let him talk as long as he wants. Like,
I would let if you watch my podcast I
did with him is long ass stammers where
he's like, "Um,
uh, everything he does, he wants to be
very careful before he answers it." So
he wants to consider what he's saying.
If you ask me the same question, is it
important that humans survive? Okay. Is
it important that Australia survived?
It's not. Is it important that Neanderl
survived? It's not currently. Currently
not important. Is it important that
humans stay in this form? It's not. It's
not going to be. If we're gonna evolve
to something way better than this, how
many people go, "I missed the old days
when you could lie and you couldn't read
minds and people were a lot more rapey."
[laughter] No, no one's going to say
that. No one's going, "I missed the
wars. I miss stealing and credit card
fraud. I miss the good old days of a
rigged stock market
>> when the Jets won."
>> Yeah. No, no, no. No one's going to say
that. They're they're going to move on
to what's next. So, Peter Teal's right.
It doesn't mean I don't love you. It
doesn't mean that being a person isn't
important to me. Yeah, it is to me
because I'm a person. But I'm also
>> if I step outside of being a person and
I'm I look at where this thing is going,
I'm like, it's going in a different
direction. It's not going in the
direction of
>> we thought it was
>> mRNA vaccines and lying politicians.
It's not it's not going in that
direction. It's going in some sort of
digital god direction.
>> And we're either going to join on
[ __ ] real quick. real quick. Like
within a few years we have I think what
is it 2026 almost we're real close to
that. I think by the time 2030 rolls
around it's a wrap.
>> Bet.
>> It's a wrap.
>> Do you think that money will have any
value at that point or no?
>> I don't know what it's going to mean
anymore. And the problem is going to be
some people are going to be in control
of assets, some people are going to be
control of money. See money is just
right now mostly if we're not on the
gold standard. What is money? If if your
bill doesn't represent, you could go to
Fort Knox and they'll give you a brick
for whatever that money, you know,
they'll give you a brick of gold that's
worth that money. If that's not real, if
we don't have that anymore, and if we're
on some sort of digital thing, and if
they can just spend money and then
inflation rises and all this money that
we spend on wars and all this other
crazy, it's not where where where does
it go come from? We don't have any
money. We're 37 trillion in debt. They
just print it up. And if they just print
it up, that makes money less and less
valuable. And that's what inflation's
all about. And at some point in time,
that's just ones and zeros. And when you
have quantum computers that are
basically like digital gods, and they're
in charge of all the assets and all the
money of the world, and they're not
human,
>> they they're they're [clears throat] not
human, and they're they're just going to
stop it all. They're going to say, "No,
we'll decide how much resources you get
to stay alive for as long as this body
lasts because you're not breeding
anyway. We're our [ __ ] population is
dropping off of a cliff.
Overpopulation's a real problem. It's
not We don't We don't have the the the
correct levels in most giant countries.
Like Japan Japan is not in a restorative
level. Like they're not even close.
disappearing.
>> They're They have a real population
collapse problem. South Korea, a real
population collapse problem. Eventually,
that's going to come here. That was one
of the arguments that they had to keep
the border open. That was one of the
Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi arguments.
You know, we're not having enough kids.
We need to bring people in. Like,
>> shut the [ __ ] up. Shut the [ __ ] up.
>> There's no way I can look at Chuck
Schumer and think he's a good guy.
>> He looks like a great guy.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
If you asked a baby who had been here
one day, who's a bad pick a bad guy out
of this,
>> bro. Did you ever see the video when um
>> It's [ __ ] dark out there, man. That's
why we just got to love each other and
do the best we can. Have a nice creme
brulee, hug a buddy, tickle your friend
or whatever, tell him he's gay or
something.
>> That's a good move.
>> You know,
>> I just opened up my Instagram and he
popped up and you're lying.
>> I No, I'm not lying.
>> You were lying. What's he trying to sell
you? Some [ __ ]
>> It's something important.
>> He accidentally said the quiet part out
loud about the Epstein files.
>> They all are doing that, dude.
>> All right, let's see what he said here.
I'll send it to you, Jamie. [laughter]
>> They got me. These [ __ ]
>> They got me.
>> How How much longer does Israel let us
stay alive, do you think? That's a big
question.
>> Why were they
>> What did you say? Is that AI?
>> What are you saying?
>> That's Sora.
>> [ __ ] are you saying?
>> I didn't say anything.
>> What are you saying?
>> Huh? Don't want Israel out of Sonia.
>> Oh, well, he loves you. Don't worry
about it.
>> Good call. [snorts]
>> [ __ ] are you saying, son?
>> Um
>> Um Yeah.
>> What did he say? What did he say about
the Epstein files?
>> What did he say?
>> Let's hear what he said. He looks great.
>> Yeah, he's been drinking somebody's
blood.
>> The last four years when President Biden
was in office.
>> Well, that's the question every American
is asking. Not every American, but so
many Americans are asking. What the hell
is he hiding?
>> Why would
>> um
>> Why were they That's a useless clip.
>> This whole thing is all [ __ ] now.
It's all BS.
>> Well, it's it's fun.
>> Do you think he's alive? You think
Epstein's alive?
>> I do not think so. You don't? No. No. I
think they killed him. If I had to
guess, there's too much circumstantial
evidence that leads me to believe that
it was an assassination. You know, I
know a lot of people think that he
committed suicide. A lot of very smart
people that I know think he committed
suicide. I'm like, there's too many
convenient things. The cut wires, the
security cameras rather not working.
They weren't cut right. They just
stopped. They didn't function. Security
cameras didn't function. Um the fact
that he had shared a cell with this
giant [ __ ] former uh cop who was a a
murderer who had killed multiple people
just giant roided up cop. This is a
cellmate. [gasps] Like if you wanted to
get somebody look bro extra Twinkies
take this guy out. Like it wouldn't be
hard. He's already killed a bunch of
people. He was a drug dealer.
>> Do you ever see the guy? Do you ever see
the guy who was his his cellmate?
>> No, but it's like
>> it's kind of hilarious.
>> It's like when you're a freshman in
college and they just put you with
somebody you know. Bro, if you wanted to
get you wanted to get someone killed,
you have a you have a high-profile
witness, okay? High-profile witness in
>> the craziest sex trafficking conspiracy
of all time where a guy who may or may
not have been an intelligence asset or
an intelligence agent or whatever the
[ __ ] he was for whatever country. This
guy
>> is he's arrested for sex trafficking to
elites and then you put him in jail.
>> Oh my god.
>> With that guy?
>> I thought that was a guy that fought
Mike Tyson. Remember that dude who read
that poem?
>> Bro, you put him in jail with that guy.
All you have to do is get that guy
cigarettes and steroids. You tell him,
>> "I got you Marorrow Reds and and Tren. I
got you testosterone replacement for
life, even though you're going to still
be in jail.
>> I got you some more bro [ __ ] 200,
>> dude. He was found guilty of killing
four men." And they put him in a cell
with Epstein. Look at the size of that
[ __ ] savage.
>> Giant [ __ ] muscle bound steroided up
dude. And they put him in a cell with
Epstein and Epstein got strangled.
>> Well, well,
uh,
>> Epste not Sherlock Holmes, but I think
there might be a connection there.
>> Epstein was probably trying to slurp
him. I bet that he was a such a pervert,
dude.
>> Well, if he didn't kill him, then
somebody killed him.
>> I bet he was such a
>> I think somebody killed him. Retired
Westchester cop charged with killing
four in cocaine deal after bodies dug up
on his property. Bro, he buried them in
his backyard. Yeah,
>> that's a crazy [ __ ]
>> Or that's a good gardener, dude. That
guy's [ __ ] composting. What are you
even talking about?
>> That's true. It's a better way to deal
with They're already dead. What are you
going to do? Let them go to waste or
bring them back to mother earth.
>> Those are leftovers. That guy's Italian,
dude. They love leftovers.
>> How deep you think he dug it? I bet he
was pretty lazy.
>> That guy's pretty jacked. I don't know.
>> I bet he got tired, though. They don't
have good cardio.
>> You're right.
>> It's a lot of cardio involved in digging
>> two feet.
>> How many bodies? Four bodies, bro. Four
bodies is four six foot graves. Do you
think he did a mass grave all on top of
each other or do you think it was
respectful and made four individual
holes?
>> I bet it was more like um you know when
you open up a box of chocolates like
that kind of I don't think it was like a
[laughter] teeth or whatever.
>> Like you know what I'm saying? It was
like a
>> Yeah.
>> Or a fourack of canoli or whatever
>> right there.
>> Yeah.
>> Right. Take the lid off you see feet.
>> Just a dusting [snorts] of confectionous
sugar on them. Not
>> cocaine deal went bad.
>> [ __ ] It uped up cop. And but imagine
>> that's horrible. But imagine you are the
most highprofile
person being charged.
>> They put him in there on purpose with
that guy.
>> 100.
How could they not?
>> They did.
>> How would you not like
>> Why?
If you're worried about the guy dying.
>> Yeah.
>> Why would you put him in the room and
lock him in a bedroom, a tiny little
bedroom with a roided up murderer?
>> Yeah.
>> Just stop and think about that. You're
in a room smaller than this [ __ ]
studio that you and I are in right now
with a roided up murderer. You're
sleeping with that guy. [snorts]
>> And you wind up getting strangled. Oh,
you hung yourself. Yeah.
>> How would you sleep? Say you're in a Say
you have to go to jail, right?
>> I wouldn't sleep.
>> I know, but I'm just saying, Joe, if you
had to go to jail, right? You're in jail
for something that you've done or didn't
do. Doesn't matter,
>> right?
>> How do you sleep at night and there's a
big dude in there?
>> You sleep with your mouth open so he
doesn't have to force it. [laughter]
>> Sleep like that. Oh, no. No, bro.
>> That's crazy. But do you sleep with your
butt against the wall or away from the
wall?
>> A good question.
>> You sleep on your back or your
>> depends on what kind of pervert this
dude is. He might be one of them dick
sucker guys who just wants to suck your
dick while he jacks off.
>> You know, then you'd want to sleep with
your ass to him and like turn over. I
suck your dick. Like, no, I'm trying to
sleep. [laughter]
>> Hey, I TOLD YOU I'M TRYING [laughter] TO
SLEEP,
>> BRO. It's Oh, it's crazy. And then you
find out that prison prisons are private
too. What? Like so people are there's a
business in in having jails. So then you
find out that prison guard unions are
also responsible for keeping marijuana
illegal.
>> They they get involved in it too. Prison
guard unions because they want to keep
the work coming.
>> But it like it just feels like at some
point how do you think it's always been
this way through history where people
have felt like it you just feel like
such a like a peeon of like some corrupt
financial system? Do you think it's
always been that way? Um, or do you
think this is like kind of like a
highlight of it for Americans?
>> Well, this is it's worse than it's ever
been before, for sure. And the United
States is worse than every other country
when it comes to incarcerations,
>> but it's a business. They want to keep
it busy.
>> In the UK, they they probably could use
a few incarcerations. They're letting
people loose that are doing horrible
[ __ ] and they're not enforcing crimes
over there. That that place is getting
real squirly. But, you know, the United
States, half the people are in there for
non-violent drug offenses. Half of them,
right? I think it's that's I think
that's the number. Put that into
perplexity. What percentage of people in
American prisons are there for
nonviolent drug offenses?
>> I think I think it's like half. So, it's
basically,
you know, it's it's a byproduct of
prohibition that's led to millions of
incarcerations where people are locked
down for the rest of their [ __ ] life.
>> I would hate that [ __ ] dude. because
somebody wants something and you don't
think they should be able to have it. So
you will arrest people, sell it to them,
and you will lock them all up for
possessing it.
>> If I
>> 43 43% of federal prisoners in the
United States are serving time for drug
offenses wi which are predominantly
nonviolent. Additionally, about 72% of
federal prisoners are serving sentences
for nonviolent crimes, including drug
offenses with a significant portion
related to drug possession and
trafficking. GH 72%
72 point in federal prisons 72.1% of
inmates are incarcerated for nonviolent
offenses. More than half 55% in federal
prisons serving time for drug offenses.
So 43% of federal prisoners in the
United States are serving time for drug
offenses but 55% are serving time for
drug offenses in the summary of key
data. So it must be like this is what's
happening when AI is drawing from
multiple different sources. I think
they're giving you different numbers. So
it's somewhere between 43 and 55%.
>> Yeah. I think it's interesting like I
guess you don't know which ones are like
weed, which ones are cocaine, heroin,
fentanyl, all that kind of stuff. That's
K. You know,
>> look at this type of offenses. The
majority of drug related incarcerations
involve possession which is classified
as a nonviolent offense. So, um, put
this, um, other than drug offenses
and drug possession, what percentage of
people are in jail for nonviolent
crimes?
>> Put that in there. [clears throat]
>> Like discount drugs?
>> Yeah. Without other than other than drug
offenses, what percentage of people are
in jail for non-violent crimes?
I got to get a family, I think.
>> Yeah, I think that would be good for
you.
Okay, let's see. Nonviolent.
What does it say? Okay. Other than drug
offenses, about 25% of the daily jail
population nationally is incarcerated
for low-level nonviolent offenses,
including misdemeanors and public order
offenses.
13% are there for property offenses such
as burglary and around 11 for public
ordered offenses, nonviolent infractions
such as weapons charges, probate. The
problem with that is property offenses
like burglary can lead to violence. Like
that's the that that's next door to
violence. It's not violent, but like
those guys that got shot breaking into
that guy's house. As soon as you're
breaking into people's property, you're
getting super close to violence.
>> Yeah. I think it's violent. I mean, it's
like if you're inflicting like fear on
somebody, they're in their own home.
[ __ ] you, dude. That's pretty violent to
me. I think
>> Yeah. It's not violent in that you're
hurting a physical person, but you're
breaking into their house and anything
goes. Once you break into someone's
house, you know, everybody knows that.
You break into someone's house, anything
goes. They don't know why you're there.
They don't know that you're just a petty
thief. They have no idea. They're gonna
[ __ ] shoot you. We all know that.
>> Since the numbers were getting small
left over, I Googled the other thing.
The opposite or not, sorry, perplexity,
the opposite thing. Uh, how many are in
for violent crimes?
>> Right.
>> 62% in state prison, but only like 7 to
10% in federal.
>> Interesting.
Interesting.
>> Most federal inmates are serving
sentences related to drug and public
order defenses.
>> Oh my god, that's nuts.
>> Yeah. I mean, it's just
>> that is so nuts, man. It's like that.
>> Do you think it's weed? I mean, what do
you think it is?
>> No, no, no. It's probably cocaine.
Cocaine is the big one, right? Cocaine
laced with fentinel. And then there's
pills. And then there's meth. Meth is a
big one, too. Those are the ones that
everybody's really terrified of. No
one's really The marijuana thing is a
disingenuous argument because the
marijuana thing is really there's a
bunch of special interests that want
marijuana to stay illegal. The actual
people that think that marijuana is
dangerous are pretty small.
>> And they're not totally wrong. This is a
very important point. Marijuana is not
completely safe. Yeah.
>> Just like alcohol is not completely
safe. Um, I think there are certain
people that for whatever reason, the way
they're wired, marijuana can [ __ ] with
them and badly. And there's some
evidence that it could trigger psychosis
or
>> Yeah. or or um
just some sort of a psychotic break.
There's there's real evidence that
>> definitely, dude, that [ __ ] some of that
shit's bad off, dude. I've taken some
[ __ ] dude. I
>> powder or crack cocaine offenses. go
back account for more than 54% of drug
offenders. So that's most of it. And
then there's meth, 24% and marijuana
represents 12%. But I guarantee you that
marijuana thing, that's dudes who are
growing. You know, you were growing and
dealing if if they're hitting you up in
federal prison. Uh heroin offenders
account for 6%. That's weird. I would
have thought it would been higher. Just
6% for heroin because they're so chill.
They never get in trouble. They never
get caught. [laughter]
But the family that made But the family
that did that uh the opioid epidemic is
still just out.
>> Sackler family just out and about.
>> Sackler family is still out.
>> You might be responsible for a million
people losing their lives
>> and the ripple effect of that through
families.
>> Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean
suicides, drug addictions, families
falling apart, lives destroyed.
>> Where do you think people find a sense
of purpose these days in Joe? Because it
certainly feels like the fabric of like
some of America. It used to feel like
that gave us a lot of purpose, right?
And some of that feels like it's not
there anymore. Do you feel like that
that's a true statement or what do you
think?
>> Well, I think this is also part of the
problem with social media is that we
feel that way.
>> Okay.
>> And while while we feel that way that
everything's falling apart, we still
have our neighbors. We still have our
friends. We still have the places we go.
We still have all the community that we
always had. You know, we still have the
mothership. We still go to nice
restaurants. You still hang out with
your friends and watch the game. You're
still like alive on Earth, but you're
you're so overwhelmed by this [ __ ]
constant onslaught of bad news.
>> That's a good point.
>> That you're freaking out always. But but
then you got ICE raids where, you know,
they're taking people that are American
citizens and they're scaring the [ __ ]
out of everybody and they're
>> Yeah, dude. They made me the video thing
that you see that thing where they put
on the video.
>> Oh, that was crazy. They didn't even ask
you.
>> Oh, it was really scary. You were just
joking around because you were talking
to a guy who's talk his friend and this
was quite a while ago too, right? When
was that video?
>> Yeah, I don't know. I I it could have
been like a year and a half ago or
something. I don't remember. But that
was crazy.
>> It was a joke, right? She's like a
friend I don't know if she said a friend
of mine got deported. I can't remember
what she said, but she's like, "What? Do
you have anything to say to him?" Right.
And I was like, "Bye." You know, I'm
clowning around. I have no idea if it's
real or not. I have no idea.
>> You have no idea. It's literally someone
just handed you a phone and then the
Homeland Security. Was that what it was?
>> Yeah. Just put it up online and it was
after the Charlie Kirk thing. Yeah. And
so then I was like super scared. You
remember
>> remember I was texting like you I was
just texting people to make sure
everybody's okay. I didn't know if they
were like just going to kill people that
had been on TikTok or whatever. I had no
idea what they were going to do.
>> I just can't believe they did that with
you where they just put it in there as
if like you were endorsing that.
>> Well, it just kind of and it was just a
scary time. That was the same time as um
after the Charlie lit that who green lit
that
>> probably just some [ __ ] trap beat
>> con artist or whatever.
>> Like if a company did that you could sue
them. You know what I'm saying? Like if
it was privatized like if I was a
private company and that was the people
that the United States hired to get rid
of illegal immigrants and they used you
would sue them. You could sue them.
>> Well, it was just
>> But the government can just put that up
there and then what did you do? You had
to formally request them taking it down.
Yeah, I had to hire an attorney to get
him help to take it down.
>> How long did it take to take it down?
>> I think like 48 hours or something. But
it had like 30 million views over a
couple platforms.
>> And how many people even know it was
taken down until they just heard you say
it?
>> Of course not.
>> I I knew cuz you told me. But I couldn't
believe it when you first asked me what
I should do about this. I was like, "Ah,
it's probably nothing." And I was in the
car and I didn't watch it. And then I
got to the club. Then I talked to you
from the club and you're like, "You
didn't see it?" I was like, "No." And
then I saw it. I was like, "Oh my god,
what the [ __ ] are they doing?" Like I
It's like, "That's not how you
envisioned the government. The
government made a hype video." Yeah.
>> They were making like deportation hype
videos with trap beats and [ __ ] And I
was like, "What are we doing?" That's
what I'm saying. Everything is turned
into like the WWE.
It's [clears throat] none of it's real.
>> It's 100% that [snorts] Mike Judge
movie. It's Idiocracy.
>> Oh, idiocracy. Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> But yeah, that was scary, man. cuz then
I got a little cuz there was just like a
lot of threats and then it then and then
things got like then it was just kind of
that that made me super that made me
kind of paranoid and then my mom was
visiting and we went to the doctor. I
went to the doctor I was just getting
something looked at or something you
know uh and I was in the doctor's office
and
uh there was a nurse asking me questions
or whatever blah blah blah and then
she's like I got I have something for
you. I was like huh? And she's like,
"Oh, I got I brought you something. Can
I give it to you?" And I was like, "I'm
at a doctor's office." Like something.
She'd made something. I don't know. Yes.
Oh, she's a fan.
>> Something. And normally I think it might
have been like, "Okay, let me like" But
I was just like, it was such a weird
time. And my mom was visiting and it was
like after the Charlie Kirk thing, it
was just super scary. You just didn't
know what was going on. Like watching
that guy get killed was crazy. Like it
was And
>> you know what was crazy to me is the way
people reacted. Oh,
>> that that scared me just as much as
watching him get shot.
>> Well, yeah. Yeah. And let me think about
that in just a second. I'm just thinking
through the end of this if you don't
mind real quick. Sorry. I know you're
not interrupting.
>> No, no worries.
>> Um, so I'm in this doctor's office and
it was just weird, you know, like I'm at
the doctor made me feel like nothing was
safe. Like it like it compounded in my
head like, "Oh, nothing's safe,
>> right? No place is safe where like cuz I
just given this girl like medical
information. I'm like, is this okay?"
You know? And so I talked to the doctor
and it was all cool and stuff and like
um but then I go outside and I was
sitting in my car. My mom was out there
with me and like it had just like been a
lot like a lot of stress. Um and I'm
sitting there I kind of was like kind of
tearing up talking to my mom and just
like you know I told her what happened
in the doctor's office, you know, and uh
and it was after the DHS thing. a lot of
stuff that felt like um you don't have
any there's no uh
you're solid you're no one I can't think
what I'm saying like you're not safe
like there's no
>> well I think you think that way in
particular because you're famous so what
you what you felt like you were having a
normal professional experience at a
doctor and then all a sudden became a
fan experience where you're kind of
trapped
>> right that's what it felt like and it's
a doctor where you're supposed to trust
like you can be at a doctor and I'm
sitting there with my mom and she kind
of like put her put her hand on me, you
know, and she's like, you know,
everything will be okay. And um and then
I look up out of the window and there
was some young man literally this far
from my window with his phone like
filming me and it was just like
>> it was just like this it was just like
that was like a tough time where I think
everything I just got kind of paranoid.
>> Yeah, that's a weird thing that people
think is totally normal to do. Just
point a camera at people and film them
because they're famous at a doctor's
office. Yeah, but it's like I just want
to put it up on my Instagram and I'm
gonna get 300 likes. Look, here it is.
Me and Theo, [ __ ] Vaughn.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> I'm outside. He's getting his pancreas
looked at. [laughter]
>> That's crazy, dude.
>> They could break your medical
information.
>> It felt like it was a movie though and
they were trying to break you. Like it
felt like this like a couple weird.
>> That's a personal thing though. That's a
personal thing with you because you're
famous. That's that's one of the reasons
why you think that everything's falling
apart because you think everything's
falling apart for you because you're
dealing with the fact that you're crazy
famous.
>> Yeah. That's that's why you have this
elevated sense of everything falling
apart. Like look at the example that you
cited. A lady who loves you who's a
doctor, but she wants to she wants to
give you something. And you thought,
man, I thought I was just at a doctor.
Now I'm trapped with some person.
Because you get you feel like you're
trapped a lot. Trapped a lot talking to
crazy people or people that want
something from you. People that are
grabbing at you. That's what it is.
That's why you personally feel like
everything's falling apart because
you're having a hard time navigating
your new situation,
>> you know, and then also your new
situation is very different than just
you as a comedian because this new
situation is you voicing your opinions
about things and some things
controversial and some things not so
much. But then people enjoy it and so it
gets a lot of attention. And when it
gets a lot of attention, you also get a
lot of haters. Um, you're going to get a
lot of jealous people. You're going to
get a lot of people that just disagree
with your choices and guests. You got a
lot of people that think that what
you're doing is dangerous. There's a lot
of like really [ __ ] idiot, really
idiotic opinions that people attach to
you that don't make any sense, but
they're still out there. And so, you're
dealing with that, too. And that's a new
thing that you're dealing with that you
never dealt with before. And it's part
of why you have this accelerated thought
that everything is falling apart. I
don't think it's falling apart as bad as
everybody thinks, but I think it's
something that that it deserves
consideration. Like we could this all
could fall apart and it could fall apart
in a lot of like very bad ways and uh
there's a lot of natural ways it could
happen like we talked about before, but
it could also be self-inflicted. And at
all costs, we have to avoid the
self-inflicted thing. And the only way
to avoid it is to not be on a side. You
can't be on that side or this side, but
instead be on the side of the greater
good of everybody. And there's that's
possible, too. We just you have to force
politicians to do that, you know.
>> But is that gonna happen with
politicians? You mean look at Eric Adams
this morning. He just did or whatever
that thing was. He pray he's like
>> thanked said he served Israel the best
he could. It's like I don't even know if
he feels like America.
>> Probably wanted a check.
>> He probably did.
>> Got a nice check.
>> Probably flew over to get that bag.
>> Yeah. Flew over, got the bag. Driving a
new Cadillac now,
>> bro. They just pay people. The crazy
thing is that Israel pays people for uh
social media posts.
>> Do they really?
>> I read that. Let's put that into
perplexity. Is that true? That might be
another uh Russian hoax. [laughter]
[gasps] I was reading that there's
countries, and I don't think it's just
Israel, by the way. There's countries
that will pay influencers to post
positive things about them.
>> Yeah. Really?
>> Yeah.
>> Oh, well, uh even Qar was like they
wanted me to come and experience their
country, right? And I had a nice time
while I was there. Like I think it was
really neat, but we didn't really talk
about like, you know, the different like
if they have different points of view
about things or what some of their like
rules and things like that are, you
know.
>> But did they want you to post nice
things about them?
>> I think they wanted to experience
they wanted to ex you to experience
their country.
>> Yes. Now I'm assuming Israel has paid
social media influencers to post content
promoting its image, particularly in the
United States with reports indicating
payments of up to $7,000 per post. This
campaign known as the Esther projects uh
project is managed by a firm called
Bridges Partners LLC which works on
behalf of the Israel Ministry of Foreign
Affairs. The program is disclosed under
the US Foreign Agents Registration Act,
meaning that these payments are legally
reported and require influencers to
disclose that their content is funded by
a foreign government.
>> That's crazy.
>> Well, I just don't see how we're
supporting this country after the
genocide. I just don't see how that we
are how that's okay to people and I I
think that's the part of me that I don't
understand right about this their
leadership there and stuff. I just do
not understand it. But then you start to
think, well, am I crazy? Because it
seems like it's just okay that the
politicians all think that this is okay
and so few of them speak up about it.
>> Well, I think this is what's separating
the old people from the young people in
this country. Like if you look at the
numbers of how many people that are like
uh 18 to 34 that support the war in
Gaza, it's very low. It's very very very
low because this is the first time
you've ever been able to see what
happens when a superpower is attacking a
country that essentially doesn't have an
army and they're doing it for years and
they're just blowing buildings up. Like
we've never really seen that before.
This is the first time in the in a time
where everyone has cell phones, right?
Obviously, this has happened. You know,
countries have bombed each other. Dresd,
there's been Hiroshima, of course,
Nakasaki, they they blew up entire
cities, right? But we didn't get to
watch it happen bit by bit. You didn't
get to see drone footage that's in 4K,
you know? You didn't get to see cell
phone footage of missiles being fired
into camps of people waiting in line for
food. You didn't get to see any of that
[ __ ] And, you know, you're seeing wild
[ __ ] Then you're also seeing horrible
things that Hamas is doing too. You're
thinking people you're seeing people
getting public publicly executed in
front of everybody in front of cheering
crowds. You're seeing people get dragged
out, kicked to the ground, gunned in the
head. You're seeing there's you're
seeing the horrors of war is what you're
seeing on both sides. And um we just
have a hard time accepting that that's
the only way to do things. And I think
the the young people of of this country,
they don't want any part of anything
like that anymore. Well, they have been
told by their parents, they've been told
by the people they grew up with that if
that war is hell, there shouldn't be any
war. And most of this [ __ ] happens
because people are making money. That's
what most of it. They prolong it so they
can make more money. They they want
weapons development. They want to launch
new [ __ ] They want to sell [ __ ] to
people that need weapons.
And most young people are aware of that
now where I think most people my parents
age they, you know, all they had was the
Vietnam War. They knew the Vietnam War
was bad, but they didn't I don't think
they really knew the extent of how much
corruption is involved in in everything.
>> Yeah.
>> That our government does. Everything has
the hand of some corporation attached to
it. Everything has the influence of some
foreign government or some country that
has massive resources. There's always
but it it's never clean. Nothing's
clean. Well, it just felt like me. I
think a lot of times Well, for one, it
feels like they're going to stop
allowing Tik Tok. Like the people are
going to own it. I think they're selling
it or something. So, they probably won't
be able to show stuff like that anymore.
>> Well, they've sold it to Larry Ellison's
company, right? Isn't that who bought
Tik Tok?
>> I don't know.
>> Yeah. I want to be sure about this.
>> Do you think they'll do that so so they
can limit its control like control what
goes on it?
>> The real worry that they had before that
sale was that China was in control of
it. And I think they're right. And I
think that if you have a foreign country
and foreign country is using a very
popular social media website to spread
propaganda, spread things that
absolutely aren't true along with I'm
sure some things that are true.
>> Yeah.
>> But they have their finger on which way
the influence goes. That's dangerous.
That's dangerous. Now, I'm not saying
that Larry Ellison's company's going to
do a great job of being totally
objective and letting people criticize
Israel, letting people criticize Hamas,
letting I don't know. We'll see. We'll
have to see. I'd be crazy.
>> I don't know. I never met that guy. I
don't know anything about that.
>> It'd be crazy for me to say any
differently. But it's not safe to have a
foreign country that is actively trying
to [ __ ] with the way people have
discourse in America, which is certainly
what China's doing.
>> Yeah. So, according to the it hasn't yet
changed place. The shutdown had
something to do with this and this
article is from today, I think, where
people in Congress still don't even know
what's going on with
>> Right. So this says Congress is still
waiting to get briefed on how Tik Tok
sale would actually stop Chinese
algorithms from causing harm to US
citizens, US military and US interests.
She said the lack of transparency has
caused concern for both Democrats and
Republicans who are still waiting for
secure briefings on how to stop malign
act actions.
>> Yeah.
>> Um so this is the thing is like that's a
good point because they do it on X. So,
Chinese bots, uh, they they swarm X. And
there was a former FBI analyst, we read
this article 100 times. His estimation,
this is right around the time Elon was
buying Twitter, that it could be as much
as 80% bots.
>> Oh, so much is bots. It seems like so
much is bots.
>> But this is what this is. This is like
China. This is Russia. This is foreign
countries that they'll say things about
US aid. They'll say things about gay
rights. They'll say things about LGBTQ.
whatever issues, whatever it is, the
border, whatever it is, US aid, whatever
it is, and they just flood the
discourse, they flood it. And so they
have their finger either way on how much
negative [ __ ] you see about any kind of
subject. And whoever's the best at it,
whoever's the best at this kind of
propaganda, this is like a incredible
tool to use to demoralize another
country, to have another country hating
itself, hating its actions. And if you
leave that in the hands of China and
they own the company like Tik Tok,
>> at least if someone in America owns it,
>> and again, I don't know what they're
going to do, but at least if they own
it, you would say, "Okay, but at least
they're not actively trying to [ __ ] with
us and make us battle back and forth.
They're just allowing the algorithm to
do its natural course,
>> right?" I guess if they're going to do
that, we don't know.
>> Here's the thing. If you can't stop
bots, then all of them are [ __ ] cuz
they're just going to keep making new
accounts. It's too easy. They sign up.
Fake emails, fake person. What? They're
in. If you don't make people and then
you What are you gonna do? You're gonna
require a digital ID. [ __ ] that. You
should be able to be a whistleblower. If
you're working from some company and you
find out they're dumping nuclear waste
into the ocean, it's killing all the
fish. Someone should be able to
anonymously report that. And you should
be able to do that through social media
without having a digital ID that shows
exactly who you are
>> and they can shut you down. It's just
like I don't know. It's sketchy times,
man.
>> It's sketchy times. I mean, the same
company that company Palunteer that was
doing all that crazy stuff in in Gaza in
uh in Gaza and they were like, you know,
the own running all the drones and stuff
like this allegedly, if you want to
>> What are you talking about? What what
did what are you saying? They did
>> that they had like were compiling data
on people that were there and they were
operating a lot of the drones in the sky
that also had weapons attached to them.
>> Okay. So, you mean like facial
recognition data,
>> right?
>> Do they have that uh capability with
drones?
where they could just zoom around.
Is this horseshit?
It's real. Jamie's not even willing to
talk on camera. He's just giving quiet.
But we have a big They got a big
contract in America now, which is scary
to me. That's what's scary to me that a
drone could go by. That maybe that's
what happened to Charlie. Who knows?
Maybe a drone. You just have no who you
can even point the finger at. A bullet
comes out of the middle of nowhere.
>> True. That's a kind of I'm not saying
I'm paranoid about it all the time that
I'm just saying I have you're listen
>> okay so
>> you're right however China's making
drones
>> and they're making really good ones way
more sophisticated in our drones if you
don't have drone development and some
kind of drone defense system in America
>> you're just if you say oh no one should
have that kind of power you're right no
one should have that kind of power China
already does so if you just have no
>> no no innovation and you have no way to
implement any kind of defense system
with drones in America, but it's already
in China and it's already in Russia,
you're kind of in trouble.
>> Okay? So, you have to have something in
that space. You got to be moving forward
into like Yeah. You got to have the
weapons other people already. It's like
the nuclear bomb. If they're already
doing it, you better [ __ ] get it,
>> right?
>> You better get it.
>> I think Yeah. To me, it's just scary
that the company that was allegedly
doing that there is the company that we
hired to like I believe create a
database and um and have some of the
same opportunities here
or they could potentially be able to do
the same thing here. To me, it just kind
of tracks where it's like,
>> yeah, well, any one private company that
has a database and all the information
on every person and where you are and
what you're doing. Yeah, that's sketchy.
What are you woofing? What's going on?
looking at the the the story, the
reporting on this.
>> It's that absolute power corrupts
absolutely thing. You know, this is like
absolute power.
>> One AI system is called the gospel.
Another one's called Where's Daddy?
>> Oh, Jesus Christ.
>> They used to identify people.
>> One of them is called Lavender. That
sounds lovely. AI enabled data
processing system developed and used by
the Israeli occupation forces in their
this says genocidal campaign against
Gaza have caught widespread attention
prompting journalists to call Gaza the
site of the first AI powered genocide.
AI technology was reportedly first used
in Gaza during Israel's 11-day assault
in 2021 during the ongoing genocide for
the first time. It's being used to kill
Palestinians at an unprecedented level
and at much faster rates. the known uh
these three known systems identified
targets for air strikes based on Israeli
mass surveillance records of the
Palestinians in Gaza that have been
collected for years by the IOF under the
racist framework of monitoring what they
deem as threats to the Israelis Israeli
regime. This is from uh
Palestine-studies.org.
So
>> So who knows also how
>> Yeah. This I mean it's obviously
>> going to be favored towards them.
>> Yeah.
I
>> but I listen I absolutely believe they
have that kind of technology where they
recognize your face from
>> the scariest part to me Jamie will you
bring it back up for one more second.
The scariest part to me was just the
quickness they could do it and then like
the review right like a few Israeli
intelligence agents shared with plus 972
magazine that they personally only take
20 seconds to review and approve the air
strike recommendation. Um
>> using the time only to confirm if the
target is a male. Whoa. It's unclear if
this is actual policy. What is that? So
this is
>> but yeah this started making me feel
>> they shared okay so they shared this in
a magazine. They shared this is so they
said this in an interview in a magazine
that it only takes 20 seconds to review
and the time is only to confirm if the
targets a male. It's unclear if this is
actual policy. In August however the UN
High Commissioner for Human Rights
released a statement revealing that the
majority of those killed in Gaza are
women and children.
So here's the other thing. Um, obviously
horrible things have happened there,
right? But if you're getting your
information from the people where the
horrible things are happening, it's hard
to know if they're being accurate, you
know? I don't know if it is truly that
they're mostly killing women or
children. Women and children. Yeah.
>> Or if a good percentage of them have
actually been Hamas agents. I don't
know.
>> Yeah. I think the
>> that's what Israel says, right? They say
that a lot of them were Hamas.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There was like 2-year-old
Hamas agents they were fine in the
shooting. Um, which who knows? I don't
know. [clears throat] You know, who
knows?
>> Well, I bet they probably think about
them as future, especially now when
you've blown up their [ __ ] city. Oh,
>> you know, I mean, how many if there were
terrorists there, how many are created
by watching something like that happen?
Quite a bit.
>> Well, the thing for me, I just thought
like that America would come help at
some point. That was a scary. I think
that's when I just thought like, oh, I
just have a different concept of what's
going on. Or also, these are just my
thoughts. I don't know what's going on
and I don't need anybody to believe my
thoughts or think the same way I do. I
think the thing that made me nervous was
that that same company, Palunteer, got a
deal in America to um create a database
and help with like surveillance and
stuff. So, that just makes me scared,
you know, and made me a little bit
nervous, not scared, but just like a
little bit like what's going on here?
Are we going to enter a surveillance
state? You know,
>> well, that's one of the arguments for
letting chaos take place. One of the
arguments for letting crime, letting
criminals back out is that you make it
so dangerous that in order to make it
safe, you have to put restrictions on
people and that's the only way. And you
show that it's effective and then people
comply and then everybody has a digital
ID. The government tracks you like, you
know, like that life 360 app where you
can track all your friends, track all
your family.
>> Yeah. See if your wife's running around
and you whatever.
>> Yeah. And the government going to
parties a lot.
>> The government can do that as well.
>> Yeah. Well, I think one thing that may
that I thought,
>> you know, how crazy that is to allow the
the government to constantly know where
you are and what you're doing and and
constantly you'll be looking over your
shoulder. So, you're going to self
censor. You're going to be scared.
You're going to be scared to talk
because your phone's going to be
listening. Yeah.
>> Well, yeah. I mean, crazy. We said we
mentioned Chuck Schumer and then you
opened your phone.
>> That's nuts.
>> I mean, that was
>> Yeah. What's the possibility of that?
>> And that was momentarily later.
>> Yeah. Momentarily later, the algorithm
recognized that I was talking about
Chuck Schumer.
That was Let's see if it works. Big fat
tits.
>> I mean, big fat tits. Okay. Big big fat
tits on um your 45year-old stepmom.
>> I'm not.
>> Here we go.
>> That [ __ ]
>> Let's see what in Imagine if it just
>> porch
>> goes to Nope. I got head kicked
[laughter] about the explore page.
>> Would you buy
>> Check my explore page real quick.
>> Would you buy a cat off of Facebook
Marketplace?
>> Uh, sure. Why not? Okay. I wouldn't
>> um if it's a cute cat.
>> [ __ ] that.
>> Cat looks fun. Uh look,
>> I'm not buying [clears throat] a cat.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Right in my for you page.
>> Let me see one of them. Huh? Hey, how
about
>> right in my for you page?
>> A funner test is to text something
random to someone and then give it five
minutes and check your like for you
pages on on an app
>> right away. It's ladies with large
boobs.
>> I say, "Hey, let me see one of them and
guess what the other one looks like."
That's my old trick.
>> Ah, that's a good trick.
[laughter]
And you're like, I don't know. I bet
that other one's weird looking. That
one's too perfect. There's no way they
both look the same.
>> Dude, I used to do this.
>> I'll show you, Theo.
[laughter]
>> Wow.
>> I used to do this fun thing. I would
have if I sat next to somebody in an
airplane, I I would have them draw a
picture of their kids. Like, if they had
kids, I'm like, "Draw a picture of your
kids." And dude, it would be the most
[ __ ] ridiculous looking picture, but
it would always be pretty fun, you know?
Um, yeah. I think I was just concerned
about like if that's the company that
does it here. So that's like where my
brain tracks like a gun of that and
>> well that should be scary.
>> That's why I think ICE h that's why I
think all the ICE stuff happened because
I think they have to get everybody on
the books. This isn't about I like I I I
they have to do an inventory now of
everyone because they're going to need
otherwise when it's a surveillance state
they're it's all going to know if you're
not like documented or on the on the uh
bill of sale or whatever it's going to
be or you're not on the inventory list
if you're not inventoried
>> right
>> in the country then it will know the
machine will know immediately oh this
isn't you're not even supposed to be
here right so that's why I think that
the ICE stuff is happening because I
think one of the reasons is they have to
get everything um inventoried.
>> Um I see what you're saying. I think the
ICE stuff is happening a lot of is
because of political power. It's
congressional seats because the census
just counts people. They don't count
legal citizens.
>> And when you let people come over here
illegally and then you give them food
and you give them Medicare,
>> what is this? Um what happens is those
people are going to vote for you if they
can and they're also going to count.
They're going to stay. They're going to
they and so they count in your district
as congressional seats. That's what's
crazy. They [clears throat] only count
the people. They don't count the
citizens. So if you get as many people
in as possible, you can take over
congressional seats. And if you make it
really easy for those people to get by,
like they say, "Hey, California is the
place to go. They don't give a [ __ ] You
can be illegal there. Nobody cares."
>> Which is what way it was basically until
I started arresting people. It's always
been like that. I mean, what percentage
of people do you run into LA in LA that
are illegals? A lot. and no one cares.
It's just it's always been like that,
right? And now all of a sudden they're
getting arrested. But there is the
argument that by having people that came
over illegally, you change the the
congressional map. You do you get more
seats, you know, and that's kind of
crazy. That's kind of crazy.
>> It's all f It just feels like I don't
know. It feels like very like
I don't know. It's a It feels like a lot
of different things. But you're right. I
think you just have to focus in on
things that are important, you know.
>> Well, it's a it's an easy way to
increase your population, man. Make it
so people can definitely come over. Make
it so cut holes in the fence for them.
You ever see when they did that?
>> They cut holes in the fence. Like some
people had put up like these [ __ ]
heavy duty fences and here
>> put titty bar right there. You put a
titty bar right there, boy.
>> I don't think you should have a bottle
of water sails is the better move.
>> Water and tits. What about that?
>> Uh together. Leah, like
>> I think generally people like alcohol
with their tits.
>> I don't know if you've been in the
desert for a couple days.
>> That's true. It's a good point.
[laughter] Very good point. Where's my
bookmarks? Here it is. Um, I'll send you
this, Jamie, because this is kind of
crazy when you watch it. You're like,
what what could you possibly be doing
here other than purposely letting people
into the country? I think there was a
lot of that.
>> And I think there was a lot of that
because they want cheap labor, too. That
was something that someone told me once
that they were stunned that a CEO said
that they were against these uh the
border enforcements because they wanted
cheap labor. So they say it right out to
him. Look at this. Biden Harris sent
forklifts to open the border when Texas
built a razor wall.
>> So insane.
>> Like why would you do that? Wait a
minute. You did what? You you sent a
forklift to open up the razor wire.
What? But do you think that they all
know that the other parties just do like
do you think that they all go behind
closed doors and be like, "Okay, what
are you guys going to do this month and
then we're going to do this and it's all
just this theatrics?"
[sighs]
>> No, I don't think they coordinate like
that. I think they hate each other. No,
but this is nuts, man. This is like
genuinely nuts. And by the way, I feel
for these people. I would do the same
thing. I would 100% be in line. I see
these people with their babies hoping
for a chance at a better life in
America. They're not the problem. The
problem is cartel people and the whole
congressional seats thing. That's the
problem.
>> Well, these people have all have been
become pawns. They're they're they'll
send information to these the countries
that they live in and get them to come.
It's like
>> listen, if the population You're right.
I didn't mean to interrupt you.
>> No, it's I don't even know probably what
I was saying, but I don't know.
>> If the population,
that's what I'm saying. We're better
than this.
>> You and I are.
>> Yes. As people, we are better than this.
and we have all this elected officials
and these people that we thought were
like sociopaths.
>> When does that end?
>> Um, that's a good question.
>> And can it end? Do you think there's a
way to end it?
>> It's going to be hard. Um, my suspicion
is it ends when AI starts sorting
government.
We're we're probably going to use AI
with government to prevent
this kind of [ __ ] that we see on an
everyday basis. AI will like logically
make decisions as to like what makes
sense and what doesn't make sense about
our current legal structure. Like some
things that like if people become
politicians, the reason why they become
politicians is they know they can inside
trade with Nancy Pelosi and make
hundreds of millions of dollars like she
did. Like that's crazy. that that can't
be that way anymore. And I think any
intelligent
like artificial intelligence that's not
attached to an ideology or a party is
going to immediately look if they both
agree if the America votes on it and say
we want AI to take a look at the
government and AI immediately goes like
you can't do that you can't do this like
this is this is bad this is evil this is
a lie this is truth and you're
suppressing it and then we probably
don't have anything remotely like the
government we have now
>> because I think that mind readading
software
>> it's already in beta right it's already
they're already able to communicate
going back and forth asking each other
questions they are they have headsets
you don't even have to get an implant
there's that is it Google that did that
Jamie
>> what was the company that did that where
they were asking each other questions
and then answering them
>> it's not Google I don't even think
that's available yet but
>> no but it's in beta point it's in beta
so they're doing this already and as
this stuff gets more potent. It's going
to be just like we used to have little
flip phones without a a color screen and
now you have an iPhone and it's going to
be that it's going to go from you used
to be able to just ask each other
questions to we can all read each
other's minds. It's coming, man. And
when that happens, Turtleface, that
Mitch McConnell [ __ ] you can't
you can't operate anymore as a leader.
You can't No, you're you're seen now as
what you are. You're an agent of money.
You're a money agent moving money and
influence around.
You're not doing it for the greater good
of people by any stretch of the
imagination. And also, how are you still
working when you Windows 98 on us every
now and then?
>> Yeah,
>> that guy just freezes up. You ever see
him?
>> Yeah, cuz his his freaking his his his
his his uh
>> You ever see him lock up?
>> Just lock up. How is that guy still able
to make decisions on anything?
>> His receptors are down. You [ __ ] see
his receptors go down?
>> You think he's a robot?
>> You think he's not a robot? What do you
think at this point? That guy robots.
>> They can't even They didn't even update
his lips to [ __ ] Yes. All these
people are RFK Jr. Imagine we found out.
>> Imagine if Candace comes out and she
does a deep dive and said there was no
RFK Jr. Do you know that? All those
photos are AI. This is a There's no
evidence of him whatsoever until 2021.
>> He's like, "And what is this here? RFK
Jr. has a camel toe. What is this here?
>> A woman.
>> She's the first.
>> Dude, Candace is the best dude. I went
to see She has her her and her husband
have four of the most beautiful kids in
the world and they're so funny and you
go over there and they're just like
dying laughing and one of them looks
just like her. It's so funny, dude.
>> Um, do you think she's right about that
French president?
>> Oh, the winner.
>> Yes. whether or not he is married to a
man.
>> She's all in on that, bro.
>> Oh, she's all in. Well,
>> they're suing her, aren't they?
>> I think they are. I don't know if they
still are, though.
>> I think they're at least threatening a
lawsuit. It's like for like 50 million
bucks.
>> Wee weer.
[laughter]
>> That would be my if she ever writes a
book, that's got to be it. But dude, it
is kind of strange that the guy is
dating his teacher, right? or he's when
the he was like 40 and the kid was 15 or
she was 40 even if it was a she like
what and again this is France they're
very different over there
>> pedophilia is just like oh
[clears throat] get your weed out of
that child
>> we
>> what have you done we
almost 15
>> bro that if she does though she better
have a hog on her and I don't think
>> I bet she doesn't
>> that's what I'm saying I don't know if
she has the body style to have a real
[ __ ] hog on her. And that if they
release the last thing needs the last
thing France needs is to release like a
wiener that looks like it's retreating
kind of it will just go down in this.
>> They need to release a [ __ ] hog, you
know.
>> Did you see that uh information might
have had a micro penis?
>> They got genes from Hitler's blood and
it it seems to indicate that he had a
genetic disorder that would lead you to
have a micro penis.
Which totally makes sense, right?
>> I'm not surprised these days
>> about Hitler. Why would you be
surprised? Hitler would be the guy I
would think would have a micro penis.
>> A guy wants to kill everybody and take
over the world.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Yeah. A little tiny dick. Make it
bigger.
>> And he's [ __ ] doing coke and heroin
and all. He was doing oxycodone, man.
And he had his whole army on meth.
>> Yeah, that's [ __ ] wild. With a little
dick just running everything with an
iron fist.
making of a tyrant. How Hitler's
deformed genitals shaped his
personality. Whoa.
>> Here's the thing, though. Here's the
thing.
>> If you had a little dick, you would
always check and make sure. You'd be
like, "Fuck, it's still little." That's
what would happen all the time. Or every
day you'd woke up, you'd be like, it'd
be like the mass singer. You'd like open
your pants and hope it was something
different.
>> He knows. I think he knows. This dick is
little. He's like,
>> "Now everyone gets punished.
[ __ ] Poland."
>> [laughter]
>> Polish guys with big old hogs. He's
probably jealous.
>> Yeah, brother. I think they Yeah, I
don't know in the future. I don't even
know if they got little dicks in the
future.
>> I think that's what aliens are. That's
us generalists.
>> You know how they got the DNA?
>> Oh,
>> from the blood soaked couch he
apparently blew his brains out on. It
says,
>> "Yo, they saved that."
>> Yeah, it says the first guy that found
it took a piece of the couch, saved it,
and they studied that.
>> Wow.
>> Which some people think he that didn't
happen.
>> Yeah. Some people think he got moved to
Argentina, right?
>> Yeah. It's also said there's only a one
in 10 chance he had a micro penis.
>> Oh.
>> Oh, that's a lot of chances. I don't
like those odds. [laughter] I ain't
playing Russian roulette with a revolver
with 10 rounds in it. [ __ ] that.
>> All right, I got to pee. So, we got to
wrap this up,
>> dude. Have to pee so bad, dude.
>> Thank you. Glad I'm glad we waited. I
love you. You're the best.
>> I love you, too, man. Thanks for uh
Yeah, thanks for everything. Thanks for
the
>> It was fun hanging with you as always.
>> Goodbye, everybody. [music]
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